Religion why are not u a muslim?

[moslema]

assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh
(peace ,mercy,and blessings be upon u)


berean..thank u too,

here r the links


http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a012.php
http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a013.php

enjoy ur time on this site..

holy Koran and scientific miracles..

about my Q ..A is that u did chase her .so there is God(Allah)even if ee didnt see him.

I thought that Mohammed (Their Profet) washed his own clothes and that his wife was political active. On the other hand, The Koran says that you have to beat your wife when she doesn't obey.

I will give you another reason why I don't confess the Islam religion. It's a political religion. Politics and religion should always be seperated. I believe that everyone has to confess whatever she/he/it(robot) wants, an Islamic State can't be Liberal enough to let everyone confess what she/he/it wants.

beating a wife is in case that she disobeys her husband in life matters according to islam rules(getting out without his permission,or hosted at home someone he hates and she knows he hates that ) or in bed.



and beating comes after :

1- advising her..if insisted

2- leaving her bed..if insisted

3-beating(without hurting..as our prophet taught us)


a wife can disobey in bed in case:
she is ill,or diseased.

a wife must disobey in case :
1-she is fasting in RAMADAN.
2-she is in period(here they can meet and practise every thing except actual sex)

who is the man that likes her wife to get out unless he himself likes
her going out?..

who likes his wife to bring at home a woman that he hates to be in his place and eat his food?..

who likes telling his wife things to do once,twice ,3 times and she doesnt care and disobeys?




islam is not only believing in Allah.it is a system of life.if u believe in ALLAH who created u and everyone..every creature in universe,u will
accept this graet sys. and apply it to ur own life.it will be the pattern of clear values in ur life wich is full of changale factors.
(i wellcome discussion)


did u read my post replying man s punishment answering u?

if so,plz answer the Q..p3 in this post

 

[Violet]

Moslema, all the viewpoints you post regarding women are in fact in the benefit of men and the women apparently have a lot of obeying to do. Obeying implies that they have to do what someone else tells them and that in turn implies that men have power over women, making women the second rate citizen. In other words, women seem to have less freedoms and all the more rules to listen to and are definitely not treated as equals.

I am not getting all feminist here, because men are better equiped to do certain things and there are plenty of things women are better at ... but the fact that women have to be subservient to men is extremely unsettling to me.

 

[kirei_na_me]

And some people think Japanese women have it bad?

 

[berean_315]

Yeah, but only if you believe. As in my case, it's different. I don't believe that there is a god, nor do I believe that there is no god. All evidence goes in the direction of there being no god (I've seen a lot of evidence for evolution, but none for any god yet), but to me that's not really important.

How does evolution explain the origin of the first life? This life must have generated spontaneously from nonliving chemicals without intelligent intervention. I do not think this has ever been observed or reproduced scientifically. If man ever does, if will point to the fact that it took some type of intelligence to do it.

I don't care if there is some supernatural being, or not. If the existence of some god-like being would be proven, I still wouldn't believe. I would just accept the existence & would go on with my life.

That's fine. We're all free to believe as we wish.

 

[moslema]

there r some points i want to make clear:

1- yes, i am a slave to Allah who created me.Allah is my creater and resort.Allah is the one who decides my fate according to his will and my work..Allah THE merciful"much more merciful to his slaves than their mothers"..Allah who loves his good slaves and award them..ALLAH who i call at night while praying feeling that shiver in my heart..
ALLAH ..THE GOD.

2-Allah does not need being served -he says to a thing "be" so it exists between the 2 letters "b" and "e"

3-Allah created us for his great powers to appear.he doesnt need us.

4-Allah sent prophets so as to guide people to the truth..many people can feel that there is God ..but who?
how could they ask him?
how could they worship him?
for this prophets were sent.

well,ppl didnt believe in most of them even killed many of them.
to jews,many pprophets were sent..they killed most of them,even MOSES-peace and mercy be upon him and our prophet and all prophets-

they disobeyed him -even after believing in Allah-

so more and more prophets were sent they do believe in Mohammed the prphet..but they refuse him!

5-for each prophet to be believed Allah sent a miracle with him .and yes,JESUS-peace and mercy be upon him and our prophet and all prophets-
had great ability of healing..and even enlived the did by the will of Allah.

Moslema, all the viewpoints you post regarding women are in fact in the benefit of men and the women apparently have a lot of obeying to do. Obeying implies that they have to do what someone else tells them and that in turn implies that men have power over women, making women the second rate citizen. In other words, women seem to have less freedoms and all the more rules to listen to and are definitely not treated as equals.

I am not getting all feminist here, because men are better equiped to do certain things and there are plenty of things women are better at ... but the fact that women have to be subservient to men is extremely unsettling to me.

plz,define a post.

in 1 of them i said that punishment is equal..in the other i answered about what was said regerding beating the wife why do u think the woman and the man are not equal?

jst name certain rights and ask..let s discuss islam s point of view-that gave the woman her value and real freedom-

 

[berean_315]

assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh
(peace ,mercy,and blessings be upon u)


berean..thank u too,

here r the links


http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a012.php
http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a013.php

enjoy ur time on this site..

holy Koran and scientific miracles..

Hello Moslema, thanks for the links and I will take a look at them.

about my Q ..A is that u did chase her .so there is God(Allah)even if ee didnt see him.

islam is not only believing in Allah.it is a system of life.if u believe in ALLAH who created u and everyone..every creature in universe,u will
accept this graet sys. and apply it to ur own life.it will be the pattern of clear values in ur life wich is full of changale factors.
(i wellcome discussion)

I guess maybe I'm not coming across clearly. I believe in God, but it's not the God of Islam (Allah). The Christian God and the God of Islam by nature cannot be the same.

If I would agree that they are the same God, but if I:
(1) do not profess the shahada
(2) do not believe mohamed is a prophet
(3) believe God is revealed in a Trinity
(4) believe Jesus is Hiimself God
(5) believe Jesus was crucified and died on a cross
(6) do not believe the Qu'ran is revelation from God through Mohamed
(7) do not pray 5 times a day
(8) do not practive alms giving (zakat)
(9) do not fast or observe Ramadan
etc.

What is the result?

 

[Maciamo]

How does evolution explain the origin of the first life? This life must have generated spontaneously from nonliving chemicals without intelligent intervention. I do not think this has ever been observed or reproduced scientifically. If man ever does, if will point to the fact that it took some type of intelligence to do it.

Of course it has. Electricty (from thunder from example) and UV rays combined with some atoms, create amino acids, the most basic organic elements. Amino acids exposed to high heat turn into proteins. Proteins combined in an adequate environment can form a cell, the moats basic life being. (More info here, and here)

 

[60Yen]

?sn't this the test of Miller? I've heared that test isn't waterproof, since they didn't create it like in real (they tapped something off straight away, dunno the whole story, biology wasn't my fave subject).

What I do find suprising is that science is most urgent at critizing 'God' and not the evolution theory.

 

[bossel]

How does evolution explain the origin of the first life? This life must have generated spontaneously from nonliving chemicals without intelligent intervention. I do not think this has ever been observed or reproduced scientifically. If man ever does, if will point to the fact that it took some type of intelligence to do it.

I think, Maciamo's links explain most of it. Counter-question: How does Christianity explain the origin of the first life (IE your god)? This god must have generated spontaneously from nonliving matter (or anti-matter?) without intelligent intervention.


Moslema, you asked for questions also regarding un-equality. What about polygamy, why are men allowed to have more than one wife, but women are not allowed more than one husband? Am I wrong informed, or doesn't that count as discrimination in your eyes?

What I do find suprising is that science is most urgent at critizing 'God' and not the evolution theory.

There is actually a lot of criticism regarding parts of evolution theory. There are many differences about the details, but the overall theory stands fast.

 

[moslema]

Hello Moslema, thanks for the links and I will take a look at them.




I guess maybe I'm not coming across clearly. I believe in God, but it's not the God of Islam (Allah). The Christian God and the God of Islam by nature cannot be the same.

If I would agree that they are the same God, but if I:
(1) do not profess the shahada
(2) do not believe mohamed is a prophet
(3) believe God is revealed in a Trinity
(4) believe Jesus is Hiimself God
(5) believe Jesus was crucified and died on a cross
(6) do not believe the Qu'ran is revelation from God through Mohamed
(7) do not pray 5 times a day
(8) do not practive alms giving (zakat)
(9) do not fast or observe Ramadan
etc.

What is the result?

so u r christian..abook person.

if a male..u cnnot marry a moslem woman.

u have all islam rights in case of neighbouring a moslem

in islamic land with moslem gov.and army u have to pay"al-jiziaa"
a kind of tax for protecting u.

and the relation is peaceful if u dont attak by any way.

 

[60Yen]

I think, Maciamo's links explain most of it. Counter-question: How does Christianity explain the origin of the first life (IE your god)? This god must have generated spontaneously from nonliving matter (or anti-matter?) without intelligent intervention.


Moslema, you asked for questions also regarding un-equality. What about polygamy, why are men allowed to have more than one wife, but women are not allowed more than one husband? Am I wrong informed, or doesn't that count as discrimination in your eyes?


There is actually a lot of criticism regarding parts of evolution theory. There are many differences about the details, but the overall theory stands fast.

Well, I heared one scientist say. 'I want to believe in anything, except a God'

 

[RockLee]

1/if a male..u cnnot marry a moslem woman.

2/in islamic land with moslem gov.and army u have to pay"al-jiziaa"
a kind of tax for protecting u.

@1 : that's being rascist

@2 : that's extortion

And I have to agree with Violet

Moslema, all the viewpoints you post regarding women are in fact in the benefit of men and the women apparently have a lot of obeying to do. Obeying implies that they have to do what someone else tells them and that in turn implies that men have power over women, making women the second rate citizen. In other words, women seem to have less freedoms and all the more rules to listen to and are definitely not treated as equals.

I am not getting all feminist here, because men are better equiped to do certain things and there are plenty of things women are better at ... but the fact that women have to be subservient to men is extremely unsettling to me.

This sounds to me that this religion is OBVIOUSLY created by men who want women to be their slaves so they SAY God said they should obey...

 

[moslema]

women rights..poly...

Moslema, you asked for questions also regarding un-equality. What about polygamy, why are men allowed to have more than one wife, but women are not allowed more than one husband? Am I wrong informed, or doesn't that count as discrimination in your eyes?

fast.

for a woman why not more than 1 husband in the same time:

1-if a female,u wd know that we wont accept -emotionally-to be -sexually-with more than 1 man in the same time..i.e u cant live with 3 men together with love emotion or even by body..u wouldnt accept that.
this is our nature..how Allah created us.

2-science proved that female genitalia would be cacered if that happened regularly..1 female with different men.


for a man why allowed?

1- 1 woman sometimes doesnt satisfy sexual needs.
2- may be diseased ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
3-may be unable to bring children ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
4-may be to help the 2nd have alife and a husband.

knowing that:
1-islam put rules to keep their rights both of them.
2-she-any of them- can ask for any of her rights if wasted.

this is not all..but i am fasting and this is sunset..

i will be back in shaa Allah
this doesnt occur without need,if so

 

[RockLee]

for a woman why not more than 1 husband in the same time:

1-if a female,u wd know that we wont accept -emotionally-to be -sexually-with more than 1 man in the same time..i.e u cant live with 3 men together with love emotion or even by body..u wouldnt accept that.
this is our nature..how Allah created us.

2-science proved that female genitalia would be cacered if that happened regularly..1 female with different men.


for a man why allowed?

1- 1 woman sometimes doesnt satisfy sexual needs.
2- may be diseased ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
3-may be unable to bring children ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
4-may be to help the 2nd have alife and a husband.

knowing that:
1-islam put rules to keep their rights both of them.
2-she-any of them- can ask for any of her rights if wasted.

this is not all..but i am fasting and this is sunset..

i will be back in shaa Allah
this doesnt occur without need,if so

So once again it proves the fact that MEN have more benifits than woman.All people should be equal, this is the BIGGEST form of discrimination, I personally wouldn't be happy with the thought of this if I was a woman.Wich GOD would "create" people anyways so ONE should have more to say about the other.That's why I think muslim religion is MANmade...(this is my opinion, I don't say I'm right at all !!)

 

[Miss_apollo7]

Marhabaa moslema.
@moslema: I am not a Moslem because:
-I don't believe in your God.
-I do not like that women are rated inferior to men.
-The Sharia law is very old-fashioned ie. accepting adultery if a man has committed it, but a woman can face the death penalty. (This is not exactly what I would call equal rights).

I am mostly what people would call an existentialist, i.e. Sartre's philosophy (free will, atheist - I make my own decisions and it is my own responsibility), however, I also can agree with the Buddhist ideology (I am my own buddha-it's inside me), having grown up with a Buddhist mother (and a Christian father).

A question:
I was wondering about this for some time...I have heard that when a Moslem man dies, he goes to "heaven" and gets 79 virgins to entertain himself with. What about the women? Were do they go after death? Do they go to "heaven"?

 

[bossel]

1-if a female,u wd know that we wont accept -emotionally-to be -sexually-with more than 1 man in the same time..i.e u cant live with 3 men together with love emotion or even by body..u wouldnt accept that.
this is our nature..how Allah created us.

2-science proved that female genitalia would be cacered if that happened regularly..1 female with different men.

1) I have seen women here in Germany with more than 1 partner (polygamy is illegal, but who needs to marry to live together?). Seems to work once in a while.
2)Not sure if I understand "cacered" correctly: cancer? Anyway lot of female prostitutes have intercourse with several man a day.

Unprotected sex generally leads to marginally increased risks for some forms of cancer (if I remember correctly), but sex has been proven quite healthy in other ways. I don't think that this depends on the number of men you do it with. It's more a question of hygiene & sexual protection.

for a man why allowed?

1- 1 woman sometimes doesnt satisfy sexual needs.
2- may be diseased ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
3-may be unable to bring children ,so can live with her and marry another woman.
4-may be to help the 2nd have alife and a husband.

1) The same could be said about sexual needs of women.
2) Sorry, don't understand this one.
3) Again, the same goes the other way round. There are enough sterile man as well.

Well, I heared one scientist say. 'I want to believe in anything, except a God'

One scientist, oh well. Then again, you have also scientists who are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever.

 

[Violet]

So once again it proves the fact that MEN have more benifits than woman.All people should be equal, this is the BIGGEST form of discrimination, I personally wouldn't be happy with the thought of this if I was a woman.Wich GOD would "create" people anyways so ONE should have more to say about the other.That's why I think muslim religion is MANmade...(this is my opinion, I don't say I'm right at all !!)

Indeed! We share the same opinion here.

Moslema, you asked me to direct you to posts in which I see inequality of women. I don't think I have to direct you to such a post, cause there were various, and especially the one RockLee and Bossel just referred to in their posts shows what I mean very well

 

[berean_315]

Of course it has. Electricty (from thunder from example) and UV rays combined with some atoms, create amino acids, the most basic organic elements. Amino acids exposed to high heat turn into proteins. Proteins combined in an adequate environment can form a cell, the moats basic life being. (More info here, and here)

I grant you that some type of organic molecules were formed. This was still produced by a person with intelligence who made certain assumptions about the composition of the atmosphere of the early earth that is different than that today. On the bottom of the first page you provided it says, "But how did these proteins and other organic compounds form the first cell? It is not very clear, but most likely..."

I appreciate your information Maciamo, and need to study this further for my own education.

 

[Miss_apollo7]

Marhabaa moslema. Ahlan wa sahlan.

I have two questions for you, what do you think about the sharia law?

My opinion:
When you look at criminal law and civil law, you find different sharia-provisions and their employment in several Muslim countries.
This is very clear from Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights from 1981. This document has this definition on the sharia Muslim law:
That every ordinances, which stems from the Koran and Sunna [accounts and doings by prophets which are told in the ?hadith?], and all other laws, which are deduced from these two sources, can be considered valid in the Islamic law.
This can?t be joined with ?western? understanding of law and rights.
Mainly because:
Among the widespread sharia-provisions is the man?s right to cast off wives, who do not please him, and women?s lack of rights on their own children, women?s duty to always be under supervision of a guardian and the man?s rights to physically punish their wives and children.

Another question:
What do you think of the book Why I Am Not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq? He says that the sharia does not distinguish between law and rituals?and that the sharia is too controlling interfering in every aspect of a man?s daily life. Do you agree?

Looking forward to your answers.

 

[moslema]

So once again it proves the fact that MEN have more benifits than woman.All people should be equal, this is the BIGGEST form of discrimination, I personally wouldn't be happy with the thought of this if I was a woman.Wich GOD would "create" people anyways so ONE should have more to say about the other.That's why I think muslim religion is MANmade...(this is my opinion, I don't say I'm right at all !!)

i guess u shd read about man duties in islam

i am preparing a file about it..jst wait.
i dont understand what u maen"man -made"?

Marhabaa moslema.
@moslema: I am not a Moslem because:
-I don't believe in your God.
-I do not like that women are rated inferior to men.
-The Sharia law is very old-fashioned ie. accepting adultery if a man has committed it, but a woman can face the death penalty. (This is not exactly what I would call equal rights).

I am mostly what people would call an existentialist, i.e. Sartre's philosophy (free will, atheist - I make my own decisions and it is my own responsibility), however, I also can agree with the Buddhist ideology (I am my own buddha-it's inside me), having grown up with a Buddhist mother (and a Christian father).

A question:
I was wondering about this for some time...I have heard that when a Moslem man dies, he goes to "heaven" and gets 79 virgins to entertain himself with. What about the women? Were do they go after death? Do they go to "heaven"?

Marhabaa!!

well..i insist that women r not 2nd rated in islam.u shd wait for the file too..wd u??

shariaa..old fashioned...how????

Not all men ofcourse!!!

and all good women go to heaven and get beauty more than virgins there

about virgins..u r nt so accurate.i will read more in this to correct ur words.

thanks for passing by..stay!

well..bossel...

=) most important reason is that she wdnt b so sure about each babies father.

this is the main reason

well..if the lady chose to live and marry more than one man in the same time
(!!!) i think u shd advise her.

at least I will never ask for that.

=)diseased (have a problem concrning normal life..may be sexually)

=)in case of women have the same reasons..they ask for divorce..why?

a woman cant marry more than 1 man for reasons mentioned(esp.the last)

THEY-man and woman -have the same rights but ofcourse different when applying..according to natures.

this is me..this is what fits me so i like it.

i dnt be angry that i am not any creature else e.g. a man..

i wd b angry if i were any other creature(or myself)without fitting rights.

u know what? it is really funny!!

i ask them "what dont u like islam?

that a man can marry more than....and a woman cant!"

and not only 1 woman wants it..except"(...)

not a man likes to b a 2nd husband!