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K7b Lazaridis et al. 2017 (Dodecad K7b)

Jovialis

Jovialis

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[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b[/FONT]

Code: 
I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.65,0,0.08,51.64,25.42,0.21
I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,23.67,0,0.38,47.43,28.52,0
I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,24.27,0,0.53,49.25,25.95,0
I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.21,0,0.35,49.11,28.33,0
I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,31.33,0,2.71,40.93,24.35,0.68
I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,33.62,0.18,1.4,40.53,24.28,0
I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province,0,34.82,0.13,2.92,41.95,19.74,0.43
I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave,0,13.15,0,2.15,49.96,33.94,0.8
I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete,0,22.61,0,0.55,50.99,25.86,0
I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis,0,26.27,0,0.49,39.99,32.71,0.55
I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0.36,15.84,0,0.65,46.51,36.54,0.09
I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese,0.49,18.69,0.88,3.04,37.28,39.38,0.24
I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese,0,21.6,0,0.73,40.65,37.02,0
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,0,17.73,0,1.4,34.95,45.92,0
I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,19.26,0,0.86,51.08,28.8,0
I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,12.13,2.52,0,52.68,31.22,1.45
I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,12.99,0,0,51.08,35.93,0
I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,21.69,0,0,48.8,29.51,0
I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,26.94,0,0,49.97,23.1,0
 
Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.29387003[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3400, align: right"]13.48408692[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004F, align: right"]17.31640263[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C2, align: right"]20.69998792[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F7, align: right"]22.26658258[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.77961662[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9F00FF, align: right"]25.32232612[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4800FF, align: right"]27.88914126[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3A00FF, align: right"]28.29610574[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1F00FF, align: right"]29.09217421[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.32003752[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0F00FF, align: right"]29.56796577[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.49904443[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.92240279[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.21982775[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.88659453[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.95443824[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.87317737[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.70120290[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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Mine:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Bigsnake49[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.12611232[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0026, align: right"]16.10770002[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0089, align: right"]19.01526229[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D0, align: right"]21.12739217[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9600FF, align: right"]25.60185735[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1F00FF, align: right"]29.07804326[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1600FF, align: right"]29.35965599[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1400FF, align: right"]29.42317624[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0300FF, align: right"]29.91965575[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.63614205[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.69305785[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.84823172[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.41480834[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.48329725[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.84073729[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.27589678[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.45734174[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.61556297[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.97014298[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Angela said:
Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D6FF00, align: right"]6.29387003[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3400, align: right"]13.48408692[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004F, align: right"]17.31640263[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C2, align: right"]20.69998792[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F7, align: right"]22.26658258[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B100FF, align: right"]24.77961662[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9F00FF, align: right"]25.32232612[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4800FF, align: right"]27.88914126[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3A00FF, align: right"]28.29610574[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1F00FF, align: right"]29.09217421[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"]29.32003752[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0F00FF, align: right"]29.56796577[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.49904443[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.92240279[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.21982775[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.88659453[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.95443824[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.87317737[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.70120290[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.

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Jovialis said:
Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.

nJWTkQ9.png
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I think we need samples with more steppe to fit us better.
 
...with dod 7 (by Jovialis), ... getting closer:

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My Dodecad 7 using Lazaridis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples. Closer to the Mycenaean Greeks vs. Minoans.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93154134[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C8FF00, align: right"]5.89158722[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]6.74245504[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8200, align: right"]11.16441221[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3F00, align: right"]13.13417679[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2600, align: right"]13.87903815[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0B00, align: right"]14.67297857[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000B, align: right"]15.33178072[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0010, align: right"]15.47671477[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002D, align: right"]16.32847819[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0041, align: right"]16.90629173[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0055, align: right"]17.50386529[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0061, align: right"]17.84991597[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0073, align: right"]18.38965470[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50282951[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008E, align: right"]19.17182047[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF009C, align: right"]19.57782419[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D0, align: right"]21.10822115[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D7, align: right"]21.31373970[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.9575% / 1.95748127 | ADC: 0.25x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]67.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]32.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 2.1446% / 2.14456946 | ADC: 0.5x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]67.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]26.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.2005% / 4.20045505 | ADC: 1x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]65.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]28.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]


[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 4.9315% / 4.93154134 | ADC: 2x

[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
 
Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.
 
bigsnake49 said:
Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.
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The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

Capture_MTAmatch_6_10_20.JPG
 
Palermo Trapani said:
The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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Common source / shared Ancestry:

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Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?
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Yes, more or less,

but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

... You should have them too.
 
Salento said:
Yes, more or less,

but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

... You should have them too.
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Ok, yes, I need to go back and check the Chroma-Analysis.
 
My Greek friend gets the following

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Chris[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]10.07360909[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]11.90707773[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]12.59780536[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]14.83348577[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]16.39738089[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]16.51671880[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]18.99042654[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]20.08867343[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]20.37512945[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]20.93893264[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]21.40357447[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]21.62056660[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]23.38093240[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]23.52176864[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]23.53762732[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]24.25064329[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]24.76740398[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]25.42504081[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]27.97856501[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Target: Chris
Distance: 758.3162% / 7.58316185

53.6I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete46.4I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

( Why does it look like the distance % is glitched ? It happens only with Dodecad )
 
Mine

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DFFF00, align: right"]6.55855929[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3B00, align: right"]13.26871885[/TD]
[TD]I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0045, align: right"]17.03275374[/TD]
[TD]I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00DA, align: right"]21.40057009[/TD]
[TD]I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00DA, align: right"]21.42168994[/TD]
[TD]I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8D00FF, align: right"]25.86476948[/TD]
[TD]I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8000FF, align: right"]26.22964163[/TD]
[TD]I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4600FF, align: right"]27.92743991[/TD]
[TD]I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4100FF, align: right"]28.08697741[/TD]
[TD]I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2000FF, align: right"]29.07277593[/TD]
[TD]I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0500FF, align: right"]29.86000502[/TD]
[TD]I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.21347547[/TD]
[TD]I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.80269956[/TD]
[TD]I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.29061041[/TD]
[TD]I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.63997155[/TD]
[TD]I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.19990683[/TD]
[TD]I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.95317435[/TD]
[TD]I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.49393860[/TD]
[TD]I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.49975068[/TD]
[TD]I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Target: Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b
Distance: 6.5586% / 6.55855929

100.0I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
 
Palermo Trapani said:
The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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Yeah, both modern day descendants of the Minoans and the Myceneans. I would also like some Classical Antiquity Greeks to test.
 
Completely unscientific and based on a few data points but it seems that our Italian friends are closer to the Minoans and Myceneans than some of the modern Greeks. I would like some of the other Greeks that hang around here to take the test. Maybe they will make a liar out of me but I think the modern Italians had less admixture events than the Greeks.
 
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