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What Was The Original Language of R1a1a?

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If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?
 
kmak said:
If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?
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proto-siberian
 
What is the proto-siberian? I do not any about it.
 
kmak said:
If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?
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Nobody knows, but possibly a language that is now extinct that was a cousin language of PIE.
 
Tamakore said:
Nobody knows, but possibly a language that is now extinct that was a cousin language of PIE.
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R1a1a language is Para-Proto-Indo-European?
 
Carlos is full of crap. The MRCA of M417 lived far too far to the south and west of where the Uralic Urheimat was-indeed, the westernmost scientific urheimat is the Volga Bend area, which is hundreds of miles to the northeast of Sredny Stog and the first two R1a samples in Vasiliyevka and Dereivka in southeastern Ukraine. His Uralic from the west hypothesis is just as unscientific as Celtic from the west.
 
Joey37 said:
Carlos is full of crap. The MRCA of M417 lived far too far to the south and west of where the Uralic Urheimat was-indeed, the westernmost scientific urheimat is the Volga Bend area, which is hundreds of miles to the northeast of Sredny Stog and the first two R1a samples in Vasiliyevka and Dereivka in southeastern Ukraine. His Uralic from the west hypothesis is just as unscientific as Celtic from the west.
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I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. Places where R1a is more common than Rib has more pre-Yamnaya EHG ancestry. Most likely there was already R1a in Eastern Europe before steppe breeding and they probably didn't speak IE


Target: Polish:Polish16
Distance: 4.6207% / 0.04620698
37.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
9.8 WHG


Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 4.8457% / 0.04845671
26.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
17.0 RUS_Karelia_HG
5.6 WHG

In Western Europe where R1b predominates, Yamanya also predominates without deviating to EHG

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9374% / 0.04937387
49.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG


Target: German:German56
Distance: 5.6763% / 0.05676272
45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.6 WHG
 
In this and many other threads, the assumption is that when R1a and R1b mutated some 20,000ya they also divided into separate tribes and recombined on the Steppe 7,000 ya to become PIE, from which they split by various founder effects. Could it be that they remained mixed whilst migrating from Central Asia to the Steppes
 
likely turkish,proto-turks
 
Ack said:
I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. Places where R1a is more common than Rib has more pre-Yamnaya EHG ancestry. Most likely there was already R1a in Eastern Europe before steppe breeding and they probably didn't speak IE


Target: Polish:Polish16
Distance: 4.6207% / 0.04620698
37.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
9.8 WHG


Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 4.8457% / 0.04845671
26.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.0 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
17.0 RUS_Karelia_HG
5.6 WHG

In Western Europe where R1b predominates, Yamanya also predominates without deviating to EHG

Target: Irish
Distance: 4.9374% / 0.04937387
49.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG


Target: German:German56
Distance: 5.6763% / 0.05676272
45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.6 WHG
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And? There's R1b in Villabrana and Baltic Hunter gatherers? They didn't speak IE. However, nobody's claiming that R1b is not related to PIE because that's not the source of most R1b. THe steppe is and the same applies to R1a.
 
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