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Turks with 10 - 25% Mongoloid admixture ( Turkish people autosomal DNA )

Interesting thread. I've seen blogs of turks who studied Korean and found so much similarity it has with Turk regarding language structure and a few basic words. Maybe that's why linguists categorize turk korean Mongolian languages to the same lineage. There are websites that dedicate itself to finding similar vocabulary but that's like trying to find similarity between German and english...
 
I wouldnt think they would be considered Mongolian descendents since Asiatic looking people from central Asia has been painted centuries before the Mongolian invasion. (look up some ancient paintings) I think it had more to do with border mixture and nomad travels rather than invasions....
 
ukaj said:
Their were greek speakers in anatolia im sure..
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There are still, but it doesn't make the Greeks, Anatolian. It is like saying German and English are American
 
Boreas said:
There are still, but it doesn't make the Greeks, Anatolian. It is like saying German and English are American
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but we say......many Americans are German and English descent

we can say many Anatolians are of Greek descent , considering there where Greeks in ancient times in Traboz, ( pontic area ).........also the Mycenaean colonies in western Anatolia .
 
Sile said:
but we say......many Americans are German and English descent

we can say many Anatolians are of Greek descent , considering there where Greeks in ancient times in Traboz, ( pontic area ).........also the Mycenaean colonies in western Anatolia .
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Many Anatolians are of Greek descent is a thing

and

Many Greeks are of Anatolian descent is another thing. I am the supporter of second one.
 
ukaj said:
These people look like the huns.But from what i have learned that old turkic people look very asian.amazing I thought turks came from asia minor,I have never seen this before would like to learn more about it,,
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Amazing how you are the only one on planet earth who knows how the Huns exactly looked like.
 
My results by my origin:
Asia Minor % 70
Eastern Middle East %6
Western and central Europe %15
Eastern Europe %3
Northeast Asia %4
Central Asia %3
am I turkısh, Tatar, Azeri ?????? Mongoloid ??????
 
cylnlts said:
My results by my origin:
Asia Minor % 70
Eastern Middle East %6
Western and central Europe %15
Eastern Europe %3
Northeast Asia %4
Central Asia %3
am I turkısh, Tatar, Azeri ?????? Mongoloid ??????
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Where are your family from in Turkey?You are mostly Caucasian.Your mongoloid results are coming from Northeast Asia.The other results are Similar to the Central Anatolia and some of Blacksea regions.Upload your autosomal results to the Gedmatch.Then,You can try the other calculators.
 
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cylnlts said:
My results by my origin:
Asia Minor % 70
Eastern Middle East %6
Western and central Europe %15
Eastern Europe %3
Northeast Asia %4
Central Asia %3
am I turkısh, Tatar, Azeri ?????? Mongoloid ??????
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It seems you're a "turkified" Laz or Armenian with some Central Asian Turkic admixture based on that result just like Native Americans with European blood.


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Most Turks i've seen score below 10% only the most outliers with recent Tatar ancestry like those from Aydin, Southwestern Turkey scores over 10%.
 
cylnlts said:
My results by my origin:
Asia Minor % 70
Eastern Middle East %6
Western and central Europe %15
Eastern Europe %3
Northeast Asia %4
Central Asia %3
am I turkısh, Tatar, Azeri ?????? Mongoloid ??????
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I saw your other comments.Firstly,You can't find your nationality with these results.But,I can say easily,You have Central Asian roots,too.But,Your results are so similar to the other Anatolians."Anatolian+Anatolian Turk ones".You are the results of these admixtures,with the different components.If You use gedmatch,You can do more logical comparisons.Have a good researchs.
 
Seanp said:
It seems you're a "turkified" Laz or Armenian with some Central Asian Turkic admixture based on that result just like Native Americans with European blood.


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Most Turks i've seen score below 10% only the most outliers with recent Tatar ancestry like those from Aydin, Southwestern Turkey scores over 10%.
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@Seanp Have you got a gedmatch results Szekely from Romania?I see two of them.They look a like so similar to the mine.
 
cylnlts said:
My results by my origin:
Asia Minor % 70
Eastern Middle East %6
Western and central Europe %15
Eastern Europe %3
Northeast Asia %4
Central Asia %3
am I turkısh, Tatar, Azeri ?????? Mongoloid ??????
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I bet that your are not a muhacir from Balkan.
 
Boreas said:
I bet that your are not a muhacir from Balkan.
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Prof.Boreas Muhacıroglu.
Profession:Balkan Turks and their myorigin results:)
 
DNZ said:
Prof.Boreas Muhacıroglu.
Profession:Balkan Turks and their myorigin results:)
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Call me a Prof. is an insult for real experts in the forum. You will see that reaching lvl 16 is not too hard :grin:

Btw way I am waiting your results for

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33493-Post-your-aDNA-K15-map!?p=500587#post500587

@cylnlts

This is mine and my brother results. You can click the same link, follow the orders.

Then we can compare ourselves. I believe, DNZ is more close to Blue's, and you are Oranges's

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Is your nick name related with your name? ceylan altaş??? :good_job:
 
My family is also from Cappadocia in central Anatolia but we are from the North Caucasus ...cylnlts: Caylan ulutaş My mitochondrial DNA According to there is a mother who is native Anatolian
 
What calculator do you recommend and can you help me to write the results
 
By my calculations it is closer to 10%. They brought all Siberian, NE Asian, Beringian and some Baloch admixtures. That's about 10% of average Turk genome, in HarappaWorld run.

[TABLE="width: 1088"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]S Indian[/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]NE Euro[/TD]
[TD]SE Asian[/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]NE Asian[/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]SW Asian[/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]E African[/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]W African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Turkey[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 15[/TD]
[TD] 44[/TD]
[TD] 11[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 4[/TD]
[TD] 3[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 1[/TD]
[TD] 11[/TD]
[TD] 9[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[TD] 0[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Kit Num: T220060
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
[h=2]Gedmatch.Com[/h][h=2]HarappaWorld 4-Ancestors Oracle[/h]This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

23 April 2013 - Oracle reference population percentages revised.

Admix Results (sorted):

Population

[TD="align: center"] # [/TD]

[TD="align: right"] Percent [/TD]

[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]39.44[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]2[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Baloch[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]14.37[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]3[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]13.89[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]4[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]SW-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]11.74[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]5[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NE-Euro[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]10.46[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]6[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]NE-Asian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.68[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]7[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]S-Indian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]2.20[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]8[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Beringian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.78[/TD]

[TD="width: 30, align: center"]9[/TD]
[TD="width: 120"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="width: 50, align: right"]1.37[/TD]


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 turk-kayseri @ 7.651587
2 turk-istanbul @ 7.653186
3 turk-aydin @ 7.767722
4 turkish @ 8.824174
5 turk @ 9.285530
6 armenian @ 11.905169
7 azeri @ 12.057047
8 uzbekistan-jew @ 14.820162
9 kurd @ 15.110064
10 lebanese @ 15.264257
11 lebanese-muslim @ 15.303683
12 cypriot @ 15.349828
13 ashkenazy-jew @ 15.399670
14 iraqi-arab @ 15.537961
15 north-ossetian @ 16.303885
16 sephardic-jew @ 16.317814
17 iranian @ 16.476582
18 palestinian @ 16.639181
19 syrian @ 16.753130
20 kurd @ 16.832850

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% ashkenazy-jew +50% azeri @ 3.283274


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% cypriot +25% tajik +25% turk-aydin @ 2.098772


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 ashkenazi + georgian + morocco-jew + turkmen @ 1.670837
2 ashkenazy-jew + georgian + morocco-jew + turkmen @ 1.803299
3 druze + turkish + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.870414
4 druze + turkish + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.875345
5 armenian + lebanese-muslim + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.920042
6 armenian + lebanese-muslim + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.920232
7 ashkenazi + cypriot + turkish + turkmen @ 1.932068
8 armenian + lebanese + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.939520
9 druze + turkish + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.948603
10 armenian + italian + lebanese-druze + turkmen @ 1.962133
11 armenian + lebanese-muslim + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.963442
12 armenian + lebanese + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.965451
13 armenian + syrian + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.970183
14 armenian + lebanese-muslim + turkmen + tuscan @ 1.987924
15 ashkenazi + azeri + cypriot + turkmen @ 1.991716
16 armenian + lebanese-muslim + turkmen + tuscan @ 2.006990
17 armenian + syrian + turkmen + tuscan @ 2.015513
18 armenian + lebanese + turkmen + tuscan @ 2.023961
19 armenian + syrian + turkmen + tuscan @ 2.034332
20 lebanese-druze + turk + turkmen + tuscan @ 2.035268

Done.

Elapsed time 2.1482 seconds.
 
Sile said:
we can say many Anatolians are of Greek descent , considering there where Greeks in ancient times in Traboz, ( pontic area ).........also the Mycenaean colonies in western Anatolia .
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Most of the rums (citizen of Rome, not greek!!!) in trabzon don't have the greek ancestor, their ancestors were autochtones people of the area. They might have mostly caucasian and indo-iranic origins. After the colonization of the region by teh Empire of (Roma), they were coerced to be christians. In this process, their language shifted to greek. By the same token, this is valid for some of the people in the region who speak armenian and turkish language.

Finally, we can clearly say that, most of them do not have greek, armenian and turk origin, but have caucasian and iranic origin.
 
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