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[DejaVu]

'Right to go to heaven' Turkey promotes Islamic martyrdom to children in colorful comics

The latest issue of a children’s magazine published by Diyanet, the Turkish Presidency of Religious Affairs, which is a government agency and the highest national religious body, contains a series of cartoons glorifying Islamic martyrdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05D-pKZTe4o

 

[Angela]

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanians-rejected-in-germany-try-holland-instead-11-04-2015
Albanians Rejected in Germany - Try Holland Instead

Some Albanians whose asylum requests were rejected in Germany are heading for The Netherlands - where their chances are no better.

Over the course of this year, some 45,000 Albanians came to Germany in order to apply for asylum. Although 99 per cent of these asylum requests in Germany are refused, only a fraction of have been deported back to their country of origin. Some of those who where rejected in Germany are heading for The Netherlands.

Their requests will take at least six months to process there but they have almost zero chance of success. This is because the EU’s so-called Dublin regulations state that the country in which the initial asylum request is made is responsible for handling the request.

In this case a request is useless, as most Albanian asylum seekers applied in Germany before coming to The Netherlands.

Agim, 44, an asylum seeker from the northern Albanian city of Lezha, told BIRN that The Netherlands was the second country in which he had applied for asylum.

“I previously applied in Germany. They rejected me and my family and told us to go back to Albania,” he said.

“But I never want to go back to Albania, which is why I decided to come to The Netherlands to try again,” he added.

In two different asylum camps in Holland, BIRN heard the same story from other asylum seekers.

Arif, a man from the city of Elbasan, told BIRN that after his request was rejected in Germany, he came to The Netherlands to try again. He also took his family with him, unwilling to go back to Albania.

“In Albania the situation is very bad and I could not stay there any longer, which is why I requested asylum,” he said.

“The [Albanian] government has made our life very hard. Should I first pay my electrical bill before feeding my kids? I can’t, so I had to leave,” he added.

Asked if he was aware of the Dublin Regulations, which say that only one country is responsible for examining an asylum request, Arif said he was not.

The Netherlands is dealing with a sharp increase in the number of asylum seekers from around the world, which has increased the time it takes for a request to be considered.

The number from Albania has also risen. Some 431 Albanians requested asylum in the first nine months of 2015 compared to 86 in 2014 and only 32 in 2013.

However, these figures only taken into account Albanian asylum seekers who officially deposited an asylum request. The total number of Albanian asylum seekers housed in temporary crisis venues in Holland is unknown.

Normally, a decision on a request takes up to six months according the Dutch immigration office IND.

All asylum seekers, even those who requested asylum in another country first, have to run through the same procedures.

Owing to the lack of space in regular asylum centres, many asylum seekers are being temporarily accommodated in other venues, such as halls and sports stadiums, which are intended for use in disaster situations.

Conditions in these venues are very basic, which is they are only used to accommodate people until room is found in regular centres.

Because these venues are not meant for asylum seekers but for emergency situations, such as floods, the centres are only licensed for 72 hours at a time by the local municipalities.

This period can be extended but is the main reason why asylum seekers get moved around in The Netherlands.

Alaman, a 59-year-old bus driver who left Albania a month ago and is waiting to apply for asylum, is staying in a sports hall in the town of Tilburg.

“In Albania, there is no work, no education, no future. There is a lot of corruption and the government does not do anything for us,” he said.

“I could not pay my bills and my children could not go to school any longer,” he added.

Alaman told BIRN that Tilburg was the seventh location where he had been placed, and he had no clue when the Dutch authorities would start the six-month application process.

Alaman said he was worried about his children, who are not attending school due to their pending request for asylum.

In the same hall in Tilburg, Tony, 30, said he was tired of being continuously moved from one asylum location to another.

“I am tired, and so are my small children,” he said. “I want an answer about whether I can stay or not as quickly as possible.

“Nobody tells us anything, we just want to know what will happen,” he added

Does this relate to the article from the Financial Times about Belgium to which Laberia provided a link or are you merely pointing out that Albanians are also asylum seekers?

 

[bicicleur 2]

http://m.economictimes.com/news/def...richest-failed-state/articleshow/51537209.cms

the article is quite suggestive and I don't share its analyses about the causes of ghetoising and 'alienation'

furthermore I fail to see how it explains your comment above

 

[LeBrok]

Does this relate to the article from the Financial Times about Belgium to which Laberia provided a link or are you merely pointing out that Albanians are also asylum seekers?

I think he is Macedonian looking for any occasion do demean Albanians.

 

[LeBrok]

In order to "stop them" detention centers were needed, not "camps". As long as someone is clear about it I don't have a problem with this view. The term "camps" is vague.
If they didn't have "proper" papers, that means that Austria and Hungary let them into their countries without proper papers also.

I agree, Greece would need to do drastic unilateral changes in migration policies, build detention camps and enroll all military to guard the coast and borders. It would cost a big amount of euros, which Greece didn't have. In site of inept and not caring EU why would Greece do such effort, if all migrants will leave Greece for Germany. Not many Greeks like Germans anyway after recent economic reforms.
However Greece, being in front of Syrian affair should have shown more initiative (to my liking), engaged EU with ideas and solutions, "force" EU to send support and financial help. I might be missing some information, watching mostly Canadian and BBC news, but Greece looked more like a victim, not to say enabler, being 100% open for immigrants and "sending" them to Germany for enjoyment of many Greeks.

 

[Milan]

When it come to the refugees i just saw this video from the border in Greece posted on 30.March,but i don't think that this is very appropriate behavior,when tear gas was used last months in R.Macedonia due to same reasons many news agencies were making drama out of it,should our police be beaten up? then the president was complaining that his country information on suspected migrants and seized fake passports etc including some of those from Paris bombings are being refused by authorities of leading EU countries,they can't share information with a third country that perhaps is not in Nato/EU.
Greece is in difficult situation here because on the other side there is fence,the same should be done on Greek-Turkey border and the security should be strengthen.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153641237306939/

here is the same but shorter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlvydufYnnQ&nohtml5=False

 

[APO276]

When it come to the refugees i just saw this video from the border in Greece posted on 30.March,but i don't think that this is very appropriate behavior,when tear gas was used last months in R.Macedonia due to same reasons many news agencies were making drama out of it,should our police be beaten up? then the president was complaining that his country information on suspected migrants and seized fake passports etc including some of those from Paris bombings are being refused by authorities of leading EU countries,they can't share information with a third country that perhaps is not in Nato/EU.
Greece is in difficult situation here because on the other side there is fence,the same should be done on Greek-Turkey border and the security should be strengthen.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153641237306939/

here is the same but shorter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlvydufYnnQ&nohtml5=False

That incident happened because Greek policemen tried to move a tent of a Syrian woman from somewhere in the train station in Idomeni, she reacted and they arrested her temporarily and some of the people reacted badly. Greek police isn't violent overall and they have orders to approach similar issues without excess of violence. In my opinion the approach is too soft sometimes. Other violent incidents that have happened are due to ethnic tensions between different ethnic groups. For example, Syrians and Afghans don't have the best relations.

Greece has a fence in the land borders with Turkey. Many Middle Eastern and South Asian immigrants came to Greece through Evros, Thrace in the past.
But when they come through the sea ,if they are about to be drown and their life is endangered Greece is obliged to save them. The same is true about Italy. But the people from Syria, Iraq etc are more likely to try to pass through Greece due to the geographical proximity.

The newcomers are detained now. If they make asylum claim they will stay in Greece until their claim is processed. I believe a large number of Syrians will get asylum but since Turkey is considered a "safe country" many of the claims will be rejected. The Greek asylum agency is understaffed and not prepared for high numbers of applications. That should be a problem but not the end of the world.

Closing the borders was right. The new arrivals are reduced significantly. Without the agreement and closing the Balkan route 2000-3000 people would come daily. Those from counties of South Asia or North Africa return to Turkey.

The 50,000 people who came before the EU agreement with Turkey will stay in Greece for a long time. Handling the situation will not be easy but the number is not that big. The problem with those in Idomeni is that they continue to hope that the borders will open sometime and don't want to go in the open camps which are build in other locations. And some of them may try to pass illegaly to other Balkan countries.

@LeBrok
The decison about the ~50,000 people who came before the agreement and didn't manage to pass in other countries is that they will stay in open camps. The problem is that a large number of them is now in the port of Piraeus and the borders in Idomeni, they don't trust the authorities, they fear that the situation in camps will not be good, they continue to think that borders might open someday and some believe that it's possible to find a way to pass illegaly.

There are detention centres now in some islands in Eastern Aegean for the newcomers as I said. Possible problems might arise about the capacity of these centres. But the number of arrivals is significantly reduced already. Greece will need the help of EU about the processing of asylum claims. That's part of the agreement as far as I know but it will take some time.

 

[Milan]

That incident happened because Greek policemen tried to move a tent of a Syrian woman from somewhere in the train station in Idomeni, she reacted and they arrested her temporarily and some of the people reacted badly. Greek police isn't violent overall and they have orders to approach similar issues without excess of violence. In my opinion the approach is too soft sometimes. Other violent incidents that have happened are due to ethnic tensions between different ethnic groups. For example, Syrians and Afghans don't have the best relations.

Greece has a fence in the land borders with Turkey. Many Middle Eastern and South Asian immigrants came to Greece through Evros, Thrace in the past.
But when they come through the sea ,if they are about to be drown and their life is endangered Greece is obliged to save them. The same is true about Italy. But the people from Syria, Iraq etc are more likely to try to pass through Greece due to the geographical proximity.

The newcomers are detained now. If they make asylum claim they will stay in Greece until their claim is processed. I believe a large number of Syrians will get asylum but since Turkey is considered a "safe country" many of the claims will be rejected. The Greek asylum agency is understaffed and not prepared for high numbers of applications. That should be a problem but not the end of the world.

Closing the borders was right. The new arrivals are reduced significantly. Without the agreement and closing the Balkan route 2000-3000 people would come daily. Those from counties of South Asia or North Africa return to Turkey.

The 50,000 people who came before the EU agreement with Turkey will stay in Greece for a long time. Handling the situation will not be easy but the number is not that big. The problem with those in Idomeni is that they continue to hope that the borders will open sometime and don't want to go in the open camps which are build in other locations. And some of them may try to pass illegaly to other Balkan countries.

Thanks for clearing that out,but this kind of incidents are not happening for the first time,while on the other side they were attempting to cross the border illegally and with force,of course the Police will react no matter who it is.
I know the hostilities between the various groups,they are all jealous to Syrians cause they are allowed to cross many time fight occur for documents etc some Syrians were complaining they are robbed by Afghanis and other groups while on route,there are fights between various groups indeed.
They all wanna go in Western Europe,very little of them almost none request asylum in Balkan countries.
I do not follow much of this migration crisis events,apart that almost all of them cross trough my country,but i don't even see them,only once i have seen large group moving on foot nearby the city,the one that are allowed to cross are loaded on trains.

 

[Yetos]

Not many Greeks like Germans anyway after recent economic reforms.

No many Greeks like Germans, especially here at north,
Greeks do not like German policies from 1900 till now,

 

[Yetos]

strange isn't it

they do not have to eat, they protest. close the roads, they stop the railway that connects EU with Greece, etc etc,

but they build a monsk to pray, in less than 30 days that are at eidomene
and they also carry their priests with them

and

but none of them wants to go to Bosnia or Albania/kossovo, neither return to Turkey,


they also build merchant tents were they sell food

and these guys are Europeans that declare solidarity, a kind of none govermantal organisation, (not Greeks, they came from other corners of EU)
that say stories and guide the refugges and immigrants to activism,
they even used violance agaist local farmers,

and some tell me, that is not organized?
come on,
it is a clear plan and organised march,

 

[DejaVu]

strange isn't it

they do not have to eat, they protest. close the roads, they stop the railway that connects EU with Greece, etc etc,

but they build a monsk to pray, in less than 30 days that are at eidomene
and they also carry their priests with them

and

but none of them wants to go to Bosnia or Albania/kossovo, neither return to Turkey,


they also build merchant tents were they sell food

and these guys are Europeans that declare solidarity, a kind of none govermantal organisation, (not Greeks, they came from other corners of EU)
that say stories and guide the refugges and immigrants to activism,
they even used violance agaist local farmers,

and some tell me, that is not organized?
come on,
it is a clear plan and organised march,

This is why they dont want to go back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HmJHfGvrEA

 

[Garrick]

This is why they dont want to go back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HmJHfGvrEA

Islam has mission, and Muslims want to turn non-Muslims in Muslims.

Other religions are trying to spread too, difference is that Islam is comprehensive and does this in a systematic way.

In: Cooper and Yue, Challenges of Muslim World, 2008

(quote)
Islam is not merely a religion. It is a total and unified way of life, both religious and secular; it is a set of beliefs and a way of worship; it is a vast and integrated system of law; it is a culture and civilization; it is an economic system and way of doing business; it is a policy and method of governance; it is a special sort of society and a way of running a family; it prescribes for inheritance and divorce, dress and etiquette, food and personal hygiene. It is spiritual and human totality, this-worldly and other-worldly. Consequently, religion and politics are the two sides of a single coin in Islam.
(end of quote)

...
Knowledge is key, more you know about matter you'll respond better.

 

[Milan]

Here is a bit of today's news on refugees and Balkan politics;

Greece condemns Macedonia's use of tear gas, rubber bullets on migrants
By Stoyan Nenov
IDOMENI, Greece (Reuters) - Dozens of migrants and refugees were wounded on Sunday when Macedonian police fired tear gas and rubber bullets at crowds on the Greek side of the border, aid workers said, an act condemned by Greece as "dangerous and deplorable".


More than 10,000 migrants and refugees have been stranded at the Greek border outpost of Idomeni since February after a cascade of border shutdowns across the Balkans closed off their route to central and western Europe.


An earlier attempt by a large group of migrants to cross the border fence had resulted in the confrontation, a Macedonian official said.


Greece said police on the Macedonian side of their joint frontier used teargas, rubber bullets and stun grenades to push back the migrants. Macedonian authorities would only confirm they used teargas.


A deputy field coordinator with medical charity Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF) told Reuters that of around 300 people treated, more than 30 had wounds caused by rubber bullets.


There were many women and children who had respiratory problems from teargas exposure, he said.


Police in Skopje said three officers were also hurt.


More than a million people fleeing conflict poured into Europe mainly through Greece in the past year. The European Union is implementing an accord under which all new arrivals to Greece will be sent back to Turkey if they do not meet asylum criteria.


A Macedonian official who asked to remain anonymous said that a large group of migrants left Idomeni camp on Sunday morning and stormed toward the fence.


"They threw rocks at the Macedonian police. The police fired tear gas in response," the official said.


"The migrants were pushing against the fence but standing on the Greek side of the border. The fence is still there, they have not broken through."


Reuters witnesses said a small group of migrants attempted to talk to Macedonian border guards, asking for them to open the border. After given a negative response, they and other migrants started walking toward the fence.


Macedonian police fired teargas, and some migrants hurled back some gas cannisters and rocks, they said.


"INDISCRIMINATE FORCE"


In an unusually strong statement, George Kyritsis, a spokesman for migration coordinators in the Greek government, said the use of force was unacceptable.


"The indiscriminate use of chemicals, rubber bullets and stun grenades against vulnerable populations, and particularly without reasons for such force, is a dangerous and deplorable act," Kyritsis said.


More than 50,000 refugees and migrants are stranded in Greece as a result of the border shutdowns. By Sunday morning, there were more than 11,200 people at Idomeni.


"We urge the authorities of FYROM to comprehend the potential risks the use of violence against refugees and migrants entails," said Kyritsis, referring to the official title of the neighboring country, Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.


Athens has long refused to accept its neighbor as just 'Macedonia'. Some Greeks fear accepting 'Macedonia' could provide a basis for territorial claims by that country on a northern Greek province of the same name.


A Macedonian police spokesman said the situation at the border was under control but still tense, he added.


Achilleas Tzemos, MSF deputy field coordinator, told Reuters more than 300 people had been treated at the makeshift camp.


In addition to more than 30 treated for rubber bullet wounds, more than 30 had open wounds, and 200 had respiratory problems from teargas exposure. "Among those with breathing difficulties there were quite a few women and children," he said.


Greek authorities have been trying to convince the population to move to reception camps, but migrants have been refusing to move.


(Additional reporting By Renee Maltezou, Kole Casule, Ayat Basma and Sergiy Karazy; Writing by Michele Kambas; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky)

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa5AgufPa2E&nohtml5=False

Here is another where they throw rocks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBQtbODSOgw&nohtml5=False

 

[LeBrok]

Sad as it is, did someone informed these refugees to go back to official refugee camps and wait for proper processing? They should do it the right and legal way.

 

[bicicleur 2]

so the Greek authorities fail to keep this group of immigrants under control and then critisize the actions of the Macedonian border police

 

[Yetos]

@ Milan

strange news you give,

from yesterday all 'solidarity organisations' and non govermental organisations spread pappers and rumors that borders will open,
refuggees and immigrants gather to see the borders to open,
and at middle of the day 500 march to 'open the borders, using tolls,

Fyrom police use typical police weapons like chemicals and bombs and rubber bullets,
people started to return, but Fyrom police continue throwing chemicals this time inside Greek territory,
and that causes a bigger problem, cause many of refugges were hitten by chmicals and rubber bullets inside Greece, not inside Fyrom,
and the subject now is leaving from protect the borders and turns to attack at foreign borders.


IT WAS ONLY 500 MEN AND FROM THEM 100 WERE ANARCHISTS and ULTRAS FROM ALL OVER EUROPE.


you can see at photo

that the usage was not neutral zone, neither at Fyrom sauvereign, but they shoot inside Greece.

 

[Yetos]

Sad as it is, did someone informed these refugees to go back to official refugee camps and wait for proper processing? They should do it the right and legal way.

are kidding? there is official news in Greece at arab language to inform them,

but when you have only at Eidomene, 2-3 000 Europeans that declare solidarity, and quide them the oposite what do you expect,

it is an organised march by some European non govermental organisations.

besides only the time is good enough to turn the discuss away from other European govermental problems,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V07jCl3iKo

sorry but something is going on with links

 

[Garrick]

so the Greek authorities fail to keep this group of immigrants under control and then critisize the actions of the Macedonian border police

It is not only Greek problem, or any country individually.

It is European problem, and EU can solve the problem, in the best interest of Europe.

For this is necessary European unity, determination and strong leadership.

 

[Yetos]

so the Greek authorities fail to keep this group of immigrants under control and then critisize the actions of the Macedonian border police

semi yes semi no

Greeks prepaired many camps,
but refuggees and immigrants destroy them in purpose,
they do not accept help from Greeks authorities, only by the 'solidarity'
some times they deny the food that red cross is serving,
AT CHIOS ISLAND THEY DESTROY THE CAMP. NAD THEY WENT TO PORT, NAD CREATE 2 CAMPS cause they have inner fight, AND PUT THE FENCEES OF THE DESTROYED CAMP,!!!!! to protect each group from the other!!!!!

they leave the camps cause every day rumors are spread that borders will open,

Greece accuses Fyrom not for using chemiclas and rubber bullets, but using them inside Greek teritory


because I live at North Greece only in my municipal 8 000 places are placed,
but only 600 live at sunday's and about 3000 at mid of the week (they come to rest, wash etc) and move back to border

 

[DejaVu]

semi yes semi no

Greeks prepaired many camps,
but refuggees and immigrants destroy them in purpose,
they do not accept help from Greeks authorities, only by the 'solidarity'
some times they deny the food that red cross is serving,
they leave the camps cause every day rumors are spread that borders will open,

Greece accuses Fyrom not for using chemiclas or rubber bullets, but using them inside Greek teritory

It is at the center of Macedonian territory