Immigration sexual harassments by immigrants

[LeBrok]

You are wrong here and the reason for that is probably because you did not actually bother to read properly or inform. The police says these groups remind them of a criminal North African pickpocket organisation which appeared 3 years ago. Their way to do it is to harrase people they consider weak (touching etc) to steal their money.

The core of the refugees (from Syria and Iraq) are quite educated people from my own observation.

His position is a simple "refugeephobe", to imagine them the worse way possible. They are always the same uneducated criminals and burden for host country.
What can I say, list of his phobias is grow, adding to homophobia, atheist phobia, other religion phobia, new trend phobia, or anything he is not familiar with.

 

[LeBrok]

Meanwhile in Germany:

Since all Villas and Palaces are already full, the Germans now Welcome Refugees Into Their Homes:

I would suggest not jumping to conclusion till police investigation is finished.

German married couple - Maximilian and Carolin - welcomed a 29-year-old Ibrahim into their apartment:
(Ibrahim looks like a typical starving, weak, exhausted, defenceless refugee from a war-torn region, LOL)

I honestly believed that you are smarter than this! Why refugee needs to be starving and exhausted?!!! Did you write a new definition? What the hell defenceless has to do with this picture? Are you intimidated of the size of this fellow? Can't big guys be refugees for god sake?
Of course you are smart to know that, and the only reason you posted this garbage is to make fun of refugees and feel better about your fear of them. And this is bad, very bad my friend. A low level tribalism.

 

[LeBrok]

This is no end, over, and over, and again, I wrote.

Two different civilizations, and there is a lack of understanding of Islam, dialogue is necessary but with the proper initial positions.

And what Islam has to do with that? Should we blame Christianity for rapes during Balkan War? For years there is 4 million Muslim Turks in Germany, and somehow one million more Muslims will destroy it?

Intermediate solution is not possible as some believe, first key point is acquisition of more knowledge, with more knowledge people can make better decisions.

I agree with that.

 

[Fire Haired14]

His position is a simple "refugeephobe", to imagine them the worse way possible. They are always the same uneducated criminals and burden for host country.
What can I say, list of his phobias is grow, adding to homophobia, atheist phobia, other religion phobia, new trend phobia, or anything he is not familiar with.

You're completely wrong. Letting as many refugees as Europe is letting in is stupid. It's not because I'm afraid of refugees, it's because it'll hurt countries. It's as simple as that. I don't care where they are from or who they are. It is not intelligent to let in as many as Germany is for example. Dis agreeing with people doesn't mean you're afraid of them. Homophobia? It's a word used by pro-gay groups to make their opponents sound like bad guys. I'm not afraid of gay people, lol. I could call you a Chrsitainphobic if I follow your standards of what a phobia is.

 

[gyms]

10 Mysterious Extinct Human Species

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQWNpgdP6U

 

[LeBrok]

You're completely wrong. Letting as many refugees as Europe is letting in is stupid.

In case that you didn't notice, nobody is disputing this. I said many times that free roaming of unregistered refugees around Europe is unacceptable.

It's not because I'm afraid of refugees, it's because it'll hurt countries. It's as simple as that. I don't care where they are from or who they are. It is not intelligent to let in as many as Germany is for example. Dis agreeing with people doesn't mean you're afraid of them. Homophobia? It's a word used by pro-gay groups to make their opponents sound like bad guys.

Sorry to point to you that you are being a hypocrite again. This is who you think they are:

Refugees are uneducated, at the bottom of the workforce, cost lots of money to take care of, won't culturally assimilate, don't respect their host countries, dis respect women, and so on.

I'm not afraid of gay people, lol. I could call you a Chrsitainphobic if I follow your standards of what a phobia is.

I'm the one who teaches you to be a good Christian, lol.

Originally Posted by LeBrok

Isn't kindness an "ultimate objective reason" for Christians?!!!

If you remember from your religious teachings, Jesus never asked about nationality, ethnicity, race, gender, lack of one, or protecting own country, but he always demanded kindness. Right?

 

[Garrick]

And what Islam has to do with that?

Unfortunately it has.

Someone can put head in the sand and say that there is no problem, but it is wrong.

Someone else can really become phobic but I think it is wrong, too.

Instead of these two approaches, relevant decision makers should firmly confront the problem and through the acquisition of knowledge, practice and discipline attempt to find a proper solution.

Certainly, someone should take into account the costs, some magnificent solution unfortunately can be very costly.

 

[bicicleur 2]

some cops who were on the squares themselves have been interviewed by the press
they estimate the mob were some 2000 people
the identities that were checked were mostly recent Syrian immigrants
that does not match the official statements
it looks like the authorities want to manipulate the incovenient truth

 

[Fire Haired14]

In case that you didn't notice, nobody is disputing this. I said many times that free roaming of unregistered refugees around Europe is unacceptable.

If we're in agreement what are we arguing about? This thread is purely for discussing immigration in Europe and allegations of sexual harassment committed by immigrants!

Sorry to point to you that you are being a hypocrite again. This is who you think they are:

I don't think these things because they're Muslim or Middle Eastern. I think them because I have reason to. You agree with me too many will hurt Europe, so.... I know of white Americans who would fit the description I gave, and if they moved en masse into Europe, I would be against it. America and Europe need to change their foreign polices to something more like what Japan has.

I'm the one who teaches you to be a good Christian, lol.

No, you're patronizing me and Christianity.

 

[AgnusDei]

some cops who were on the squares themselves have been interviewed by the press
they estimate the mob were some 2000 people
the identities that were checked were mostly recent Syrian immigrants
that does not match the official statements
it looks like the authorities want to manipulate the incovenient truth

There is rather a small North African community in Germany, the official statement is a PC statement like always It doesn't explain why the events strangely correlate with the recent actions taken by the German government vis-à-vis pseudo-refugees .

It is relatively impossible to tell Algerians and Syrians apart in real life, there are tens of thousands of Syrians here, I highly doubt a German can tell the difference unless he speaks both Algerian and Syrian Arabic .

 

[bicicleur 2]

There is rather a small North African community in Germany, the official statement is a PC statement like always It doesn't explain why the events strangely correlate with the recent actions taken by the German government vis-à-vis pseudo-refugees .

It is relatively impossible to tell Algerians and Syrians apart in real life, there are tens of thousands of Syrians here, I highly doubt a German can tell the difference unless he speaks both Algerian and Syrian Arabic .

according to the cops who testified anonymous they checked their identity papers, most of them were recent Syrian immigrants

in the mean time the press says they have been lied to by the official instances
so what these anonymous cops testified is probably correct
there has been a cover up operation by the official instances
the truth is very inconvenient for them

and yes, it is difficult for Europeans to make the distinction at sight
sorry for that, but that is how it is
it is the responsability of the government, who is allowed to check identities to be clear
but there have been to many cover ups, the European people don't trust them any more

 

[Alan]

With all due respect, as I said this looks more like an organized crime and as I said those involved in it be it refugees or not should be punished. If refugees send out if longer residents into prison.

But bringing up now every single sexual crime is just not right especially since I know that the rate for sexual crimes is very high in Central and North Europe.

This is no joke or something before even I heard about this new years incidence I had heard of two sexual crimes within a month and both in MY city in both cases underaged girls who were about to be dragged away by two individuals who were not refugees (fortunately they managed to escape). The same year I heard of rape.

The irony part in this rape crime a polish co-worker of us was considered as possible offender because people who saw the identikit thought it looked too similar to him. Fortunately he was around us during the time this happened and the real offender was caught.

And when we are at rape.

Today an article appeared about the bavarian child chor saying that recent investigations have confirmed that over 231! children were sexually abused.

Unfortunately rape isn't something new in Europe even for native residents.

http://www.welt.de/regionales/bayer...socialmedia.socialflow....socialflow_facebook


I am not trying to generalize this crime that happened during new year because obviously this orginized crime is on a new level in Germany never seen before. It is said that it is a criminal organisation which uses sexual harrasement for pickpocketing is build mostly by North Africans many of them who came recently as illegals throw the France route. However many of the individuals who did vandalize were also Syrian Arab immigrants. By looking at how the Syrian and Iraqi immigrants behave here in my city vs in cologne it almost looks like me there is another factor what makes the difference. And I think it is the contact to this North African criminal organization. This kind of sexual harrasment and pickpocketing is nothing new there. I remember images from Bengasi where women were harrased exactly the same way.

If they, be it Syrian Arabs or North African can't abide by the law send them back simple as that.

 

[bicicleur 2]

today it looks more and more that it were mostly new Syrian immigrants
there is no proof yet of organised crime
there first motive would have been to 'have fun', i.e. rape and not pick pocketting
there are 31 arrests uptill now, but I don't think many offenders will get punished in the end
this not only happened in Köln, it also happened in 3 other German cities

the thing that worries me most is that the official instances first tried to downplay what happened and then tried to bend the truth

You claim the rate for sexual crimes is higher in Europe than elsewhere.
I don't think so. In Europe there is zero tolerance for sexual crimes. Women are encouraged to report any unapropriate behaviour.
These reports may generate high statistics, but in Europe it is still safe for women to go out on the streets.
In many parts of the world that is not the case. And in these places women will not be heared when they have a complaint. They have very low statistics for rape.

 

[epoch]

With all due respect, as I said this looks more like an organized crime and as I said those involved in it be it refugees or not should be punished. If refugees send out if longer residents into prison.

But bringing up now every single sexual crime is just not right especially since I know that the rate for sexual crimes is significantly higher in Europe than many regions around the world.

I like to see confirmation of that, with a link. The numbers on rape are sketchy and hard to find. Sweden has the most rapes of Europe but it most certainly is influenced by the very wide definition of rape. There are the 1-in-5 stats on American campussen which almost certainly are wild exaggerations.

On real numbers: There are some Swedish stats - hidden in this article - which points to massive over-representation of migrants in rape cases. There is this NYT article on Norway which basically confirms these figures. I have heard personal information from vice squad members that the absolute majority of rapes are commited by non-westerners.

Considering the appalling way the Middle-Eastern and African men treat women this will not come as a surprise.

 

[epoch]

This will become the real hard issue: According to this Politico article, due to migration to Sweden:

The resulting ratio is astonishing: These calculations suggest that as of the end of 2015, there were 123 16- and 17-year-old boys in Sweden for every 100 girls of that age..

We very, very urgently need to stop migration to Europe.

Via this Steve Sailer link: http://www.unz.com/isteve/surf-city-sweden-1-23-boys-for-every-girl/

 

[Sile]

Merkel is trying to cover up these events............by covering these up, Germany will be known as the brothel of Europe

 

[epoch]

Merkel is trying to cover up these events............by covering these up, Germany will be known as the brothel of Europe

The newspaper Die Welt broke the silence. It's considered a very respectable newspaper, if I'm not wrong. This will not be easily wiped under the rug. Here and there I hear rumours of great anger among people.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschl...en-waren-frisch-eingereiste-Asylbewerber.html

Also, the North Rhine Westphalian inner minister Ralf Jäger stated:

"What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chatrooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women," he said. "This is poisoning the climate of our society."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35248601

This will have great repercussions in Germany. This man doesn't care about the women that fell prey. He only cares about the political correct climate of the country. What a monster.

 

[epoch]

today it looks more and more that it were mostly new Syrian immigrants
there is no proof yet of organised crime
there first motive would have been to 'have fun', i.e. rape and not pick pocketting
there are 31 arrests uptill now, but I don't think many offenders will get punished in the end
this not only happened in Köln, it also happened in 3 other German cities

I have heard of Köln, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Bielefeld and Düsseldorf.

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/poli...iffe-auf-frauen-auch-in-hamburg-und-stuttgart
http://www.nw.de/lokal/bielefeld/mitte/mitte/20671386_Sexuelle-Uebergriffe-auch-am-Boulevard.html

the thing that worries me most is that the official instances first tried to downplay what happened and then tried to bend the truth

It basically proofs Pegida right in calling the German press Lügenpresse.

You claim the rate for sexual crimes is higher in Europe than elsewhere.
I don't think so. In Europe there is zero tolerance for sexual crimes. Women are encouraged to report any unapropriate behaviour.
These reports may generate high statistics, but in Europe it is still safe for women to go out on the streets.
In many parts of the world that is not the case. And in these places women will not be heared when they have a complaint. They have very low statistics for rape.

Apart from those considerations, and the fact that definitions tend to differ, both of which greatly skew numbers: I would like to actually see a link pointing to that by Alan.

 

[epoch]

People at place who saw it are reporting that a good chunk of them were also native Germans.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[Angela]

I think Alan has about covered it. If these are immigrants, send them back. If they have legal status but commission of a crime results in a revocation of that status, revoke it and send them back. Otherwise put them in prison for the maximum penalty permissible under the law, which unfortunately in Germany may not be very long, but if the laws are too lenient that's the fault of the legislators in Germany.

Zero tolerance is the only way to go in cases like this, and that means aggressive enforcement of the law as it applies to everyone.

That said, the comments of the Mayor of Cologne that women should try to travel in groups and not be provocative is abhorrent. Now, she may be an earnest and well-meaning person, but that is absolutely the wrong message.

If men of whatever nationality, race, religion, whatever the hell, can't control themselves around women they should be locked up. It is not the fault of the victim if she gets sexually harassed or raped, and I don't care if she's walking down the street in a bikini.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/europe/germany-cologne-assaults-arms-length/

I particularly hope that she did not mean that Europe should change its values to accommodate recent immigrants from other cultures. This is extremely important. Immigration under certain conditions agreed upon by a country and its people is all well and good, but immigrants have to adapt to the culture of the host country, not the other way around.

Public officials and law enforcement need to show some backbone and make that crystal clear.