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Neolithic Anatolia-Kinship Patterns
- Thread starter Angela
- Start date
Jovialis
Advisor
- Messages
- 9,901
- Reaction score
- 6,809
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b-PF7566>Y227216
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
Dodecad K12b
Here is a source population test I made using key sample cohorts from Maciamo's ancient ethnicity checker, and a aggregate of these Anatolian_N samples I made.
Code:
Anatolian_N_(n=22),0.011363636,0.284090909,3.279090909,0.5,38.97363636,0.557727273,0,0.724090909,13.525,0.167727273,40.91318182,1.062272727
Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0.00,5.90
Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0.00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57.21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42.18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50.61,2.03Here is a source population test I made using key sample cohorts from Maciamo's ancient ethnicity checker, and a aggregate of these Anatolian_N samples I made.
Jovialis
Advisor
- Messages
- 9,901
- Reaction score
- 6,809
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b-PF7566>Y227216
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H6a1b7
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DE00FF, align: right"]23.48044718[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]51.09580805[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.87433801[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]59.47045569[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]80.93197699[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Even the two-way analysis is a good fit:
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DE00FF, align: right"]23.48044718[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]51.09580805[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.87433801[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]59.47045569[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]80.93197699[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Even the two-way analysis is a good fit:
Palermo Trapani
Regular Member
- Messages
- 1,694
- Reaction score
- 1,017
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian-Sicily-South
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I2-M223>I-Y5362
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H2A3
Jovialis: Nice work (as usual!). My results using data from post #22
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C7FF00, align: right"]19.54383953[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]53.01583914[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007B, align: right"]62.07537193[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0082, align: right"]62.70694938[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CD00FF, align: right"]79.91104992[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #23FF00, align: right"]3.44372746[/TD]
[TD]76.40% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 23.60% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]10.09976416[/TD]
[TD]78.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 21.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]16.92748007[/TD]
[TD]83.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 16.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B3FF00, align: right"]17.54524285[/TD]
[TD]90.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 10.00% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB000, align: right"]32.72346647[/TD]
[TD]43.80% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 56.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]44.48248853[/TD]
[TD]30.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 69.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]45.15254199[/TD]
[TD]39.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 60.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0001, align: right"]50.14700840[/TD]
[TD]37.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 62.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0018, align: right"]52.32669806[/TD]
[TD]35.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]59.01775930[/TD]
[TD]47.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 52.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 3.1110% / 3.11097674 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]75.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]23.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C7FF00, align: right"]19.54383953[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]53.01583914[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007B, align: right"]62.07537193[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0082, align: right"]62.70694938[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CD00FF, align: right"]79.91104992[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #23FF00, align: right"]3.44372746[/TD]
[TD]76.40% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 23.60% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #67FF00, align: right"]10.09976416[/TD]
[TD]78.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 21.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]16.92748007[/TD]
[TD]83.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 16.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B3FF00, align: right"]17.54524285[/TD]
[TD]90.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 10.00% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB000, align: right"]32.72346647[/TD]
[TD]43.80% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 56.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]44.48248853[/TD]
[TD]30.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 69.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]45.15254199[/TD]
[TD]39.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 60.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0001, align: right"]50.14700840[/TD]
[TD]37.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 62.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0018, align: right"]52.32669806[/TD]
[TD]35.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005C, align: right"]59.01775930[/TD]
[TD]47.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 52.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 3.1110% / 3.11097674 | ADC: 0.25x RC
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]75.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]23.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
torzio
Well-known member
- Messages
- 4,203
- Reaction score
- 1,312
- Points
- 113
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- T - L131
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:
[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]35.63839617[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]44.48810515[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]50.69296401[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]63.25287029[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]83.94777960[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(58.53999520000001, 100%, 50%)"]7.68250060[/TD]
[TD]55.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 44.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(4.9478443200000015, 100%, 50%)"]14.38151946[/TD]
[TD]59.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 40.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-77.8143924, 100%, 50%)"]24.72679905[/TD]
[TD]61.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 38.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]34.23026843[/TD]
[TD]88.60% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 11.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]34.89292367[/TD]
[TD]88.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 12.00% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]37.09479092[/TD]
[TD]24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]42.57272248[/TD]
[TD]68.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 32.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]44.08610484[/TD]
[TD]64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 35.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]45.16134074[/TD]
[TD]24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]54.78189964[/TD]
[TD]33.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 66.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 6.1233% / 6.12334837
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]51.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]38.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:
[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]35.63839617[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]44.48810515[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]50.69296401[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]63.25287029[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]83.94777960[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(58.53999520000001, 100%, 50%)"]7.68250060[/TD]
[TD]55.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 44.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(4.9478443200000015, 100%, 50%)"]14.38151946[/TD]
[TD]59.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 40.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-77.8143924, 100%, 50%)"]24.72679905[/TD]
[TD]61.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 38.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]34.23026843[/TD]
[TD]88.60% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 11.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]34.89292367[/TD]
[TD]88.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 12.00% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]37.09479092[/TD]
[TD]24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]42.57272248[/TD]
[TD]68.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 32.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]44.08610484[/TD]
[TD]64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 35.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]45.16134074[/TD]
[TD]24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(240, 100%, 50%)"]54.78189964[/TD]
[TD]33.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 66.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 6.1233% / 6.12334837
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]51.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]38.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]6.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]3.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
Vallicanus
Regular Member
- Messages
- 1,521
- Reaction score
- 849
- Points
- 113
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b Z36
Interesting how you have a lot of WHG and little Yamna.
What part of northern Italy are you from, if I may ask?
Stuvanè
Regular Member
- Messages
- 630
- Reaction score
- 663
- Points
- 93
- Location
- Milan
- Ethnic group
- Italian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- J2
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H1e
Mine (from #post 22)
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0C00FF, align: right"]29.64418968[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.80034638[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]54.35271842[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]60.47015793[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]82.77904022[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.4334% / 2.43335712
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]61.7[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]25.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]12.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
2 way mode
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]5.51641130[/TD]
[TD]63.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 37.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA300, align: right"]10.20585716[/TD]
[TD]65.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 34.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5000FF, align: right"]27.64557649[/TD]
[TD]56.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 43.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3900FF, align: right"]28.31281528[/TD]
[TD]89.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 10.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2700FF, align: right"]28.83966408[/TD]
[TD]88.60% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 11.40% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]41.15434930[/TD]
[TD]28.00% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 72.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]45.18996930[/TD]
[TD]57.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 43.00% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]47.66787639[/TD]
[TD]27.80% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 72.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]47.68709109[/TD]
[TD]64.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 35.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]52.01703240[/TD]
[TD]32.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 67.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0C00FF, align: right"]29.64418968[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.80034638[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]54.35271842[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]60.47015793[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]82.77904022[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 2.4334% / 2.43335712
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]61.7[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]25.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]12.5[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
2 way mode
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BCFF00, align: right"]5.51641130[/TD]
[TD]63.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 37.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA300, align: right"]10.20585716[/TD]
[TD]65.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 34.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5000FF, align: right"]27.64557649[/TD]
[TD]56.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 43.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3900FF, align: right"]28.31281528[/TD]
[TD]89.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 10.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2700FF, align: right"]28.83966408[/TD]
[TD]88.60% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 11.40% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]41.15434930[/TD]
[TD]28.00% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 72.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]45.18996930[/TD]
[TD]57.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 43.00% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]47.66787639[/TD]
[TD]27.80% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 72.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]47.68709109[/TD]
[TD]64.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 35.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]52.01703240[/TD]
[TD]32.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 67.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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It’s not a good fit to me.
Better fit I obtain in admixture mode when I can add EEF like, as for example Remedello and/or Nuragic.
Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13),0.00,0.00,4.03,0.36,66.71,5.81,0.07,0.03,8.09,0.05,14.64,0.23
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69.04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
Better fit I obtain in admixture mode when I can add EEF like, as for example Remedello and/or Nuragic.
Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13),0.00,0.00,4.03,0.36,66.71,5.81,0.07,0.03,8.09,0.05,14.64,0.23
CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69.04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
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I wonder what outcome a Basque like Gaska would get on this calculator?
Jovialis
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^^
I think the modeling is definitely not accurate
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Spanish_Basque[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.84300881[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.25659161[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.86988507[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]85.45078525[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]93.51106031[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 3, align: left"]Target: Spanish_Basque
Distance: 30.9785% / 30.97851353
[/TH]
[TD="class: barchartmode2 nonselectable"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]50.3[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode2 nonselectable"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]49.7[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
[/TD]
I think the modeling is definitely not accurate
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Spanish_Basque[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]49.84300881[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]50.25659161[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]67.86988507[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]85.45078525[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]93.51106031[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 3, align: left"]Target: Spanish_Basque
Distance: 30.9785% / 30.97851353
[/TH]
[TD="class: barchartmode2 nonselectable"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]50.3[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode2 nonselectable"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]49.7[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
[/TD]
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Why is the 2-way at a distance of 30?
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it is not a 2-way fit, it is using the single tab, with no restriction on the amount of populations the algorithm can use. It is just a poor fit using these aggregates. Again, this is not perfect, unfortunately. Which is why you can't take modeling with these kinds of calculators seriously.
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it is not a 2-way fit, it is using the single tab, with no restriction on the amount of populations the algorithm can use. It is just a poor fit using these aggregates. Again, this is not perfect, unfortunately. Which is why you can't take modeling with these kinds of calculators seriously.
Sorry, single-tab not 2-way.
I think the calculator definitely shows more WHG in northern than southern Italy.
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It is actually a good demonstration of how these amateur calculators just pick the sample that arbitrarily aligns best on the x,y,z axis.
Northern Italians do not have that much WHG, and that little steppe.
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Because a 2-way model force the results, and then the distances show how the results are not a best fit.
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paternal line from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzano_Veneto
...................
from 1750
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montebelluna
.....................
from 1600
Val di Non area ................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_di_Non_(district)
I think the formula presented is skewed ....my opinion
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I don't have much time to use these calculators or to model samples, and I also find some of them to be very misleading. Some people say that K13 is one of the best (I have my doubts about that too). Anyway this is the result of my father (Basque Country with 8 Basque grandparents).
# Population-Percent
North Atlantic-51,60
West Med-30,82
Baltic-7,46
East Med-7,12
Red Sea-0,64
Sub-Saharan-0,63
West Asian-0,74
East Asian-0,99
@Gaska
# Population-Percent
North-Atlantic-43.28
West-Med-26.14
East-Med-13.11
Baltic-11.14
Red-Sea-1.96
Northeast-African-1.24
South-Asian-1.10
West-Asian-0.75
Oceanian-0.58
Sub-Saharan-0.41
East-Asian -0.22
Amerindian-0.07
Siberian-0.00
As you will see my percentages are different from my father's - this is because my mother is Galician (northwestern Spain), so I am only half Basque. My father is 8% plus North atlantic, 4% plus West Med-I am 3,5% plus Baltic and I have gained 5,99 East Med, 1,32 red sea, 1,24 North east african, 0,01 west asian, 0,07 amerindian-I have lost 0,22 subsaharan, 0,77 east asian. And this only in one generation. If we apply these results to phenotypes it is even funnier because my father has brown hair and brown eyes, and I am blond with blue eyes - how did I get it? i.e. I may have blue eyes thanks to my mother's red sea, african or amerindian percentages (I'm kidding of course). It is simply an example of how these percentages are ineffective in determining the phenotypes of individuals (at least in Europe).
I do not know the origin of the samples used to establish these identities, nor do I understand very well how they can be established in such a categorical way, although I understand that it is fun for people to use this kind of calculators.
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[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DE00FF, align: right"]23.48044718[/TD]
[TD]Anatolian_N_(n=22)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]51.09580805[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]57.87433801[/TD]
[TD]Yamna_culture_(n=16)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]59.47045569[/TD]
[TD]Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]80.93197699[/TD]
[TD]Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Even the two-way analysis is a good fit:
Very interesting results, they look robust. What are the Anatolia_N (n=22) used? Do they include only those most distinctive from other Near Eastern clusters, like Boncuklu and Barcin, or are they from all of them, including those that were already by the Early Neolithic the groups most admixed with Levant_Meso, CHG and Iran_Meso like Tepecik-Ciftlik and Kumtepe, before the much more intense mish-mash of those clusters after the LN?
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With those extremely high distances, I seriously doubt the person who tested those models included source populations that represent Steppe admixture (like Yamnaya and CWC samples) and perhaps other necessary (concerning European-wide genetic history) source samples if you want to reach a reasonable result in these ancestry models, like Iberomaurusian (proxy for North African admixture), Iran_N/CHG and EHG (Karelia, Samara, Khvalynsk_HG). The models for Basques, at least using Global25 database's coordinates, have a pretty low and historically plausible fit considering how drifted by isolation (therefore, worse fits are to be expected) the Basques are:
Target: Spanish_Pais_Vasco
Distance: 5.1578% / 0.05157804
55.8 TUR_Barcin_N
27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 WHG
6.4 LUX_Loschbour
0.0 GEO_CHG
0.0 Iberia_ElMiron
0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.0 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.0 RUS_Samara_HG
0.0 TUR_Boncuklu_N
0.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
Target: Basque_Spanish
Distance: 4.9181% / 0.04918058
56.8 TUR_Barcin_N
25.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.0 LUX_Loschbour
0.0 GEO_CHG
0.0 Iberia_ElMiron
0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.0 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.0 RUS_Samara_HG
0.0 TUR_Boncuklu_N
0.0 WHG
0.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
Target: Basque_French
Distance: 4.9430% / 0.04943036
55.6 TUR_Barcin_N
25.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.2 WHG
6.4 LUX_Loschbour
0.0 GEO_CHG
0.0 Iberia_ElMiron
0.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.0 RUS_Karelia_HG
0.0 RUS_Samara_HG
0.0 TUR_Boncuklu_N
0.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
