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[Palermo Trapani]

Ratchetman: I wish there was a model that really had clear variables that can model WHG/EHG/CHG/EEF/Iran_Neo and other caucus ancient ancestries like Armenian Chalcolithic/Bronze Age. I get closer distances on the Ancient Armenian samples vs Ancient Iranian and Caucus Steppe Maykop type samples. But since Armenia sits North of Iran and borders it along with Turkey and sits between the Black and Caspian Sea, maybe that is the source of my Caucus type ancestry. Every calculator that I look at has different populations and variables, etc.

Wow a model for French with 20% East Eurasian. I find that model questionable. If there is East Asian in Europeans, I would think small amount, excluding the Finns and Estonians who do have as you say actual ENA ancestry. The languages they speak are related I think to North Asian languages. I went to MyDNA portal and ran some of there calculators, nice calculators but again nothing consistent in terms how researchers are measuring populations. Good site and nice oracles with it. For example, on the MDLP K11E calculator done by Vadim Verenich of the Magnus Ducatus Lituaniae Project, I get 41% Neolithic EEF, 23% EHG and only 10.8% WHG, in addition to other ancestries such as Basal Eurasian, Iran-Mesolithic. Well since the calculator is probably designed to measure Northern and Eastern Europeans more accurately, the weight for me for EHG to me is overstated, the Neolithic is understated, and if my HG ancestry, I would think is more WHG?

On the older Eurogenes DNA calculator, my major ancestry is 65% (Anatolian Farmer 25%+ Med Farmer 40%) EEF type ancestry and HG (Baltic 17%0 some Middle East Herder 16% and then some small East Asian and Oceania and East African pastoralist amounts, total < 2% (I generally ignore amounts < 1% for ancient ancestry and view it as noise). The Punt K10 measures my major ancestry as 49% (Neolithic) EEF type ancestry, and then 25% WHG and 21% CHG type ancestry but it does show some 2.5% East Asian. On the Eurogenes ANE I get 54% European Neolithic Farmer, then 35% WHG-UHG(unknown HG) and then 8% ANE and 2% ASE, which is consistent with your ENA theory also in Southern Europe. But since I am going to have less Steppe, not sure how much of that shows up in DNA test.

Still while I get different Percentages, all the calculators I have run shows that I have predominate EEF type ancestry, which is what has been shown in all the extant research on macro Italian DNA samples regardless of region (20 Political regions in modern Italy).

 

[Carlos]

Does anyone know or know who the British Isles travelers were or are?


Are there old Gedmatch burials or kits or any studies of his haplogroups?

I know that some were expelled to Spain, Holland and other countries forever losing their identity

 

[Carlos]

I am having results with the hunter-gatherers, logical considering neither geographical origin and the continent I belong to, it really doesn't surprise me and although my dnaY haplogroup is of Egyptian foundation, of course since it arrived, I do not know when it was, it has taken advantage of time from what I see.

I have my version of La Braña's face, I still have to darken her skin and put blue eyes on her but just like with Cheddar man I see that these men had a feminine air in their appearance except perhaps Villabruna. I also have a Villabruna woman, I would not like to find her at night in a dead end.

 

[Salento]

Q-Matching - Cheddar Man

Tot. cM 46 - Larg. Segm. 2

 

[italouruguayan]

My mix went chaotic...View attachment 12237

Sent from my SM-G9600 using Eupedia Forum mobile app

 

[Salento]

reorganizing ...

some Rs deep dive matches

Latins:

Imperials - Central Romans- Hellenic Romans

Medieval - Late Medieval:

 

[Carlos]

My no results. The bald man did not say that I do not know what I do not know how much ... They have done

Sample allegedly and presumably L mtDNA

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Regarding post 2924, except for one Roman sample, all of yours are above the mean/Median for closest matches among MTA users. And the one < 50% is at the 44% level. Really good results there.

 

[Salento]

Salento: Regarding post 2924, except for one Roman sample, all of yours are above the mean/Median for closest matches among MTA users. And the one < 50% is at the 44% level. Really good results there.

Maybe I score Deep Dive high percentages with the Roman Samples (and others too) because the vast majority of MTA users could be mixed (probably Americans), or the parents are from different regions.

The more mixed they are, the lower the deep dive matching score when compared with a Native, I Think.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Yes, most Americans of Italian ancestry today have other ethnicity if say they are 40 years old or younger, for the most par (unless more recent immigrants). I am probably one of the last from my generation, I am 120-130 years removed from Sicily, whose ancestry is 100% from there. I like how you just posted the Roman samples, did you format MTA to only print the Roman samples or did you sort of snip and cut and paste the Romans into one file.

Interestingly, my top MTA matches are SZ32 Central Roman 590 AD (89%), CL30 Hellenic Roman Dodecanese 590 AD (88%) and CL36 Central Roman 630 AD (87%). I have 12 of the Roman samples > 50% best match, with R44 and R1545 both 86%, R49 (81%). 15 that are between 26% and 49% best matches, and 6 that are 3% to 12%, total of 33 in my top 100. Hellenic Roman-Crete CL38 is another of those samples that I get a high match relative to other users (69%). Yours are off the charts.

 

[Salento]

Salento: Yes, most Americans of Italian ancestry today have other ethnicity if say they are 40 years old or younger, for the most par (unless more recent immigrants). I am probably one of the last from my generation, I am 120-130 years removed from Sicily, whose ancestry is 100% from there. I like how you just posted the Roman samples, did you format MTA to only print the Roman samples or did you sort of snip and cut and paste the Romans into one file.

Interestingly, my top MTA matches are SZ32 Central Roman 590 AD (89%), CL30 Hellenic Roman Dodecanese 590 AD (88%) and CL36 Central Roman 630 AD (87%). I have 12 of the Roman samples > 50% best match, with R44 and R1545 both 86%, R49 (81%). 15 that are between 26% and 49% best matches, and 6 that are 3% to 12%, total of 33 in my top 100. Hellenic Roman-Crete CL38 is another of those samples that I get a high match relative to other users (69%). Yours are off the charts.

SZ32 95% - CL38 93% - CL30 90% - CL36 72%

... as time goes by the scores can go up or down ( CL30 ... a few days ago was higher than today !):

about the images: ... Picsew - screenshot stitching (App Store)

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Salento: Picsew. Thanks. Again, off the charts with the Collegno samples as well for your Chroma matches. I also find that some of these Roman samples, on all the Calculators, I have many close distances even if no chroma matches.

As others have noted about your matches, you are like time traveler.

 

[Salento]

Salento: Picsew. Thanks. Again, off the charts with the Collegno samples as well for your Chroma matches. I also find that some of these Roman samples, on all the Calculators, I have many close distances even if no chroma matches.

As others have noted about your matches, you are like time traveler.

Modern Pugliesi, ( ... not sure about the ancients, or you) are close to the Old Iron-Age Latin R437 and many of the Imperial and Medieval samples are also kind of close to R437, ... there you go

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Modern Sicily to Ancient Romans using Dodecad 12B (distances < 20) and Me to Ancient Romans (distances < 20). I am a little closer to R437 than the average modern Sicilian, 4.18 vs. 6.54. R850 is closer to modern Sicily at 10.04 than me (13.23), however, I share DNA segments with R850 and get an MTA match (my only Iron Age Roman chroma match). R475 and R1 for modern Sicily are 18.89 and 19.20 vs me at 16.5 and 17.4. R474_Iron Age is 20.7 my next closest match not shown. So These would all fall into MTA's range, but I have other closer matches and I get with Zeus top 100. With the LIghtning Bolts, maybe some of these other Iron Age Romans will come through. Actually first time I have compared Me and Modern Sicily to the Ancient Roman samples.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Italy_Sicily[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5FFF00, align: right"]2.78705669[/TD]
[TD]R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #64FF00, align: right"]2.95529102[/TD]
[TD]R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #72FF00, align: right"]3.35028432[/TD]
[TD]R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #72FF00, align: right"]3.35727345[/TD]
[TD]R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]3.44436133[/TD]
[TD]R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #76FF00, align: right"]3.46294744[/TD]
[TD]R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #78FF00, align: right"]3.51985014[/TD]
[TD]R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #85FF00, align: right"]3.91256502[/TD]
[TD]R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #86FF00, align: right"]3.94673853[/TD]
[TD]R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8AFF00, align: right"]4.06643640[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8BFF00, align: right"]4.07746796[/TD]
[TD]R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]4.18151707[/TD]
[TD]R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9AFF00, align: right"]4.54319326[/TD]
[TD]R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9FF00, align: right"]4.95675347[/TD]
[TD]R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ACFF00, align: right"]5.05756513[/TD]
[TD]R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ADFF00, align: right"]5.08336945[/TD]
[TD]R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B6FF00, align: right"]5.33946486[/TD]
[TD]R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B8FF00, align: right"]5.40362887[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C6FF00, align: right"]5.80997806[/TD]
[TD]R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CEFF00, align: right"]6.07345412[/TD]
[TD]R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D0FF00, align: right"]6.10810486[/TD]
[TD]R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D2FF00, align: right"]6.18603791[/TD]
[TD]R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D3FF00, align: right"]6.19178205[/TD]
[TD]R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D9FF00, align: right"]6.37480392[/TD]
[TD]R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DDFF00, align: right"]6.51155319[/TD]
[TD]R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.51478511[/TD]
[TD]R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.54394262[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E2FF00, align: right"]6.64667323[/TD]
[TD]R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]6.75277906[/TD]
[TD]R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E7FF00, align: right"]6.79053054[/TD]
[TD]R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E9FF00, align: right"]6.86542533[/TD]
[TD]R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1FF00, align: right"]7.07799866[/TD]
[TD]R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FCFF00, align: right"]7.42011624[/TD]
[TD]R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF400, align: right"]7.82426131[/TD]
[TD]R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEB00, align: right"]8.07466687[/TD]
[TD]R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE600, align: right"]8.22681864[/TD]
[TD]R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.84331075[/TD]
[TD]R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBB00, align: right"]9.49983921[/TD]
[TD]R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB900, align: right"]9.55030916[/TD]
[TD]R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB600, align: right"]9.64632702[/TD]
[TD]R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB500, align: right"]9.67131558[/TD]
[TD]R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.69938890[/TD]
[TD]R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB400, align: right"]9.71730750[/TD]
[TD]R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAA00, align: right"]9.99654065[/TD]
[TD]R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA800, align: right"]10.04684154[/TD]
[TD]R850_Iron_Age_Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA500, align: right"]10.14979926[/TD]
[TD]R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA400, align: right"]10.16859012[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA000, align: right"]10.28822944[/TD]
[TD]R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.44822305[/TD]
[TD]R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9B00, align: right"]10.45065189[/TD]
[TD]R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9500, align: right"]10.60539132[/TD]
[TD]R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.75826868[/TD]
[TD]R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.76848295[/TD]
[TD]R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7C00, align: right"]11.33859714[/TD]
[TD]R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6800, align: right"]11.93261015[/TD]
[TD]R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6800, align: right"]11.95136331[/TD]
[TD]R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6200, align: right"]12.10660832[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5F00, align: right"]12.21629915[/TD]
[TD]R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5D00, align: right"]12.25981831[/TD]
[TD]R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5B00, align: right"]12.32510629[/TD]
[TD]R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5300, align: right"]12.55599877[/TD]
[TD]R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4100, align: right"]13.07584127[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.07256000[/TD]
[TD]R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000E, align: right"]15.39884233[/TD]
[TD]R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0015, align: right"]15.61844567[/TD]
[TD]R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.19910692[/TD]
[TD]R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0035, align: right"]16.56090230[/TD]
[TD]R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0055, align: right"]17.48931345[/TD]
[TD]R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0069, align: right"]18.09571400[/TD]
[TD]R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007E, align: right"]18.71135978[/TD]
[TD]R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0085, align: right"]18.89875882[/TD]
[TD]R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008F, align: right"]19.20153028[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A6, align: right"]19.89395097[/TD]
[TD]R126_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AA, align: right"]20.00183054[/TD]
[TD]R76_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #58FF00, align: right"]2.59038607[/TD]
[TD]R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5EFF00, align: right"]2.76190152[/TD]
[TD]R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6FFF00, align: right"]3.27177322[/TD]
[TD]R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #72FF00, align: right"]3.34701359[/TD]
[TD]R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #83FF00, align: right"]3.84983117[/TD]
[TD]R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8CFF00, align: right"]4.10471680[/TD]
[TD]R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]4.16370028[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]4.18976133[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #93FF00, align: right"]4.32090268[/TD]
[TD]R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9BFF00, align: right"]4.54783465[/TD]
[TD]R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9CFF00, align: right"]4.57668002[/TD]
[TD]R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A4FF00, align: right"]4.82952379[/TD]
[TD]R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A5FF00, align: right"]4.83867751[/TD]
[TD]R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #ABFF00, align: right"]5.03103369[/TD]
[TD]R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AEFF00, align: right"]5.10995108[/TD]
[TD]R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B4FF00, align: right"]5.30245226[/TD]
[TD]R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B5FF00, align: right"]5.32897739[/TD]
[TD]R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B9FF00, align: right"]5.43089311[/TD]
[TD]R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BAFF00, align: right"]5.46635162[/TD]
[TD]R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]5.50746766[/TD]
[TD]R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C1FF00, align: right"]5.68175149[/TD]
[TD]R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C2FF00, align: right"]5.70777540[/TD]
[TD]R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C9FF00, align: right"]5.90403252[/TD]
[TD]R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CEFF00, align: right"]6.04601522[/TD]
[TD]R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D3FF00, align: right"]6.21821518[/TD]
[TD]R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DCFF00, align: right"]6.46672251[/TD]
[TD]R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]6.74800711[/TD]
[TD]R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]6.76732591[/TD]
[TD]R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]6.77646663[/TD]
[TD]R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F5FF00, align: right"]7.20115963[/TD]
[TD]R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.28579440[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFB00, align: right"]7.62057741[/TD]
[TD]R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEA00, align: right"]8.11539894[/TD]
[TD]R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE700, align: right"]8.21912404[/TD]
[TD]R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]8.36581735[/TD]
[TD]R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.85745449[/TD]
[TD]R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCB00, align: right"]9.01662354[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC900, align: right"]9.08267582[/TD]
[TD]R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC900, align: right"]9.08880080[/TD]
[TD]R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC300, align: right"]9.26807963[/TD]
[TD]R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBE00, align: right"]9.42151262[/TD]
[TD]R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.94731119[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]9.97097789[/TD]
[TD]R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAA00, align: right"]10.00080497[/TD]
[TD]R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9E00, align: right"]10.36353704[/TD]
[TD]R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7700, align: right"]11.49942172[/TD]
[TD]R133_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7500, align: right"]11.56716473[/TD]
[TD]R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7200, align: right"]11.63612049[/TD]
[TD]R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.28268293[/TD]
[TD]R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5B00, align: right"]12.33247745[/TD]
[TD]R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5B00, align: right"]12.33723227[/TD]
[TD]R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4C00, align: right"]12.75264286[/TD]
[TD]R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4C00, align: right"]12.77108844[/TD]
[TD]R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4B00, align: right"]12.80763444[/TD]
[TD]R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4800, align: right"]12.87494078[/TD]
[TD]R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]13.23641568[/TD]
[TD]R850_Iron_Age_Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3B00, align: right"]13.25961161[/TD]
[TD]R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3900, align: right"]13.33041260[/TD]
[TD]R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.54778949[/TD]
[TD]R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2F00, align: right"]13.60991918[/TD]
[TD]R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1A00, align: right"]14.24994035[/TD]
[TD]R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0E00, align: right"]14.58388837[/TD]
[TD]R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0035, align: right"]16.54641653[/TD]
[TD]R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004D, align: right"]17.27937210[/TD]
[TD]R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0052, align: right"]17.40331865[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0055, align: right"]17.51228997[/TD]
[TD]R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005A, align: right"]17.63311657[/TD]
[TD]R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005A, align: right"]17.63358160[/TD]
[TD]R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006F, align: right"]18.27538508[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0081, align: right"]18.80224189[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0091, align: right"]19.25356850[/TD]
[TD]R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0095, align: right"]19.36787288[/TD]
[TD]R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AC, align: right"]20.05352338[/TD]
[TD]R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[Salento]

imho a Chromosomal match (Deep Dive) shows a real genetic match, though doesn’t always correlate to Distances (Matching Samples).

My MTA distances are not that small, on the other hand, the chromosome comparisons say the opposite,

I think there’s an ancient population that hasn't been tested yet, (the Messapi),

imo their autosomal mix ratio is causing the anomaly in the distances,

The Messapi could have been a mix of Italics, Cretans and Illyrians, but we don’t know for sure.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

imho a Chromosomal match (Deep Dive) shows a real genetic match, though doesn’t always correlate to Distances (Matching Samples).

My distances are not that small, on the other hand, the chromosome comparisons say the opposite,

I think there’s an ancient population that hasn't been tested yet, (the Messapi),

imo their autosomal mix ratio is causing the anomaly in the distances,

The Messapi could have been a mix of Italics, Cretans and Illyrians, but we don’t know for sure.

From what I remember, they lived in Puglia pretty much during the Iron Age Republican Rome till 1st Century BC, Imperial Age which by that time fully incorporated into Rome. So what You are suggesting is that there is lots of Messapi ancestry in the Southern Shifted Romans that Italians from Puglia would have which would give modern Italians from Puglia closer Chromosomal matches even though I would have similar ancestry (Italic, Cretan-Greek) and a related type Illyrian ancestry, in my case Thracian Bulgarian (I get a Deep Dive match on Sample I5769). A pretty good one, 80% closer than other MTA users but I believe you also have at least 2 really good MTA Thracian Deep Dive Matches. I don't think I have seen any Illyrian samples on MTA in my top 100 archaeological matches (none in Deep Dive), but I might have missed them. In my ancient breakdown, I get 8% Illyrian ancestry in the Early Bronze Age, Late Bronze drops to 4.3%, by Iron Age down to 2.5% but by Medieval Age it shows a little resurgence back to 3.9%.

So hmm, you might be on to something, the Southern Shifted Samples in Antonio et al 2019 could reflect ones that have more direct Messapi admixture from Puglia hence the closer Deep Dives in your case.

 

[Salento]

SZ1 Thracians Illyrians Scythian

I’m heavy on Bronze Age SZ1, it’s probably some kind of base common ancestry sample:

 

[blevins13]

SZ1 Thracians Illyrians Scythian

I’m heavy on Bronze Age SZ1, it’s probably some kind of base common ancestry sample:

SZ1 seems Hallstatt to me 1000BC Pannonian Basin. I am heavy too on that one, but is only one sample so let’s wait and see for more samples.


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[Carlos]

We continue to see Bronze Age Loma del Puerco. Chiclana, Cádiz, Andalusia, Spain

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Hello everyone, broke down and got A Lightning Bolt. 125 samples, for new Archaeological Matches (Deep Dive does not change so same top 100 Deep Dive Matches). However, some interesting new Arch. Matches. The Ikiztepe Black Sea matches from 3,300 BC are interesting, 2 were in my top 100 before and now 3 more for 5 total of 125. R1 is now showing up in my top 125 which is consistent with my post 2392 (R1 is a distance of 17) so personally neat seeing the oldest Iron Age Roman showing up in MTA as a top 125 Archaeological match. R437 and R850 were already in my top 100 before the Bolt.