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Kinship, acquired and inherited status, and population structure at the Early Bronze

j2b dude MOK15 was uploaded to yfull
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/

Indeed, a couple of months ago all the European ancient samples were uploaded to the J2B tree.



One of them is really peculiar, look at basal L283, they put ORC007 (Nuragic sample) under that branch. However, because its low coverage and potentially positive for some downstream SNPs it does not belong there. Some L283 admins contacted YFull to see why that is a case and asked for the justification, so far it seems like a mistake. But who knows.
 
Davidski leaked this:
But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
 
Davidski leaked this:


yes
i now saw that would be cool :cool-v:

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A said...Is this the Greek paper you mentioned a while ago, or is there another one coming out?
May 14, 2021 at 4:19 AM

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Davidski said...There's at least one more paper coming soon about Greece or the Balkans and Greece, with samples from the Iron Age, Classical period, Middle Ages, etc.


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Davidski said...Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.

This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.

But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.
 
yes
i now saw that would be cool :cool-v:

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A said...Is this the Greek paper you mentioned a while ago, or is there another one coming out?
May 14, 2021 at 4:19 AM

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Davidski said...There's at least one more paper coming soon about Greece or the Balkans and Greece, with samples from the Iron Age, Classical period, Middle Ages, etc.


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Davidski said...Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.

This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.

But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.

Can't wait. Hope it does not take more than 1-2 years, like the other leaked papers.
 
Davidski leaked this: But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.


It would be for the umpteenth time the discovery of hot water. It is obvious that a civilization such as the Greek one, which was able to expand and cover a territory that went from Anatolia to North Africa and the Spanish and French coasts, was genetically a non-homogenous population.

The typical error of these amateur bloggers passionate about genetics, who some users, with great naivety, consider professionals, is that they lack the most basic historical and archaeological knowledge. Even geneticists have often insufficient historical, archaeological, linguistic and anthropological knowledge, let alone amateur bloggers.

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Davidski said...Greeks do have Cypriot-like ancestry, it's just that it's not necessarily from Cyprus.

This is obvious by looking at modern Greek DNA vs Mycenaean DNA.

But it'll also be shown with new samples from Classical Greece, some of which actually cluster with Cypriots and Anatolians.



Davidski is saying this because of the presumed Slavic migration story in Greece. He is angry at geneticists who don't give a damn about this story, as if the whole world should revolve around the Slavs.


When people stop being interested in ancient history only because of personal issues concerning their own identity, it will always be too late.
 
It would be for the umpteenth time the discovery of hot water. It is obvious that a civilization such as the Greek one, which was able to expand and cover a territory that went from Anatolia to North Africa and the Spanish and French coasts, was genetically a non-homogenous population.

The typical error of these amateur bloggers passionate about genetics, who some users, with great naivety, consider professionals, is that they lack the most basic historical and archaeological knowledge. Even geneticists have often insufficient historical, archaeological, linguistic and anthropological knowledge, let alone amateur bloggers.




Davidski is saying this because of the presumed Slavic migration story in Greece. He is angry at geneticists who don't give a damn about this story, as if the whole world should revolve around the Slavs.


When people stop being interested in ancient history only because of personal issues concerning their own identity, it will always be too late.


Since I'm neither Greek nor Slavic, I don't have a dog in a fight. However, I'm very much interested in Ancient Greeks and Romans since they've shaped the European heritage and had an impressive history. Hence, I look forward to samples from Classical Greece and I'm curious to find out whom they are closest to.
 
Code:
MOK9B,0,0,0.03,0,34.91,41.38,0.62,2.15,1.33,0.59,18.99,0
MOK10B,2.9,0,0,0.12,37.97,30.7,0.07,0,11.34,0.29,15.86,0.75
MOK12,0,0.78,3.05,0,39.46,34.27,0,0.04,2.67,0,19.64,0.09
MOK13,1.81,0,0.45,0,39.16,29.14,0.85,0.01,5.53,0,22.58,0.47
MOK14,3.79,0.7,3.3,0,37.97,33.85,0,0,3.07,0,17.16,0.14
MOK15,2.94,0,1.57,0,38.53,35.15,0,0.09,6.33,0,14.98,0.4
MOK16A,2.09,0,1.51,0,37.51,41.07,0.71,0,2.36,0,14.46,0.29
MOK17A,3.36,0,1.65,0.31,36.89,19.28,1.59,1.28,7.87,0,27.77,0
MOK18A,0.01,0,2.97,0.74,38.6,30.24,0.64,0,3.08,0,22.3,1.42
MOK19A,0.17,0,1.55,0.73,35.22,44.82,0,0,2.14,0.06,14.62,0.7
MOK20,2.95,0,0.82,0,37.08,34.18,1.15,0,5.41,0,17.71,0.69
MOK21A,0,0,1.45,0,36.38,48.33,0,0,0.16,0,13.07,0.62
MOK22,0,0,0.53,0.94,37.66,49.11,1.45,0,1.9,0,7.81,0.59
MOK23,0.85,0.55,1.15,0.04,34.58,49.86,0.04,0,3.16,0.31,8.53,0.93
MOK24A,1.88,0,0.88,0,38.46,36.91,2.31,0,5.47,0,13.82,0.28
MOK25A,1.39,0.43,0,0.14,40.33,37,0,0,4.04,0.55,15.22,0.89
MOK26A,3.08,0,0.41,1.87,40.71,29.78,0,0,6.35,0,17.22,0.58
MOK27,0,1.05,0,0.13,38.38,32.27,0.34,0,7.32,0,20.51,0
MOK28A,1,0.03,1.17,0.51,36.23,45.39,0,0,3.48,0,11.31,0.87
MOK29A,5.26,0.6,1.21,0,41.01,30.6,0.03,0,2.48,0,18.66,0.15
MOK30,4.32,0,0.09,0,39.17,45.76,0.3,0,2.73,0.6,6.03,0.99
MOK31,0.37,1.72,1.69,0,38.81,24.37,0,0,7.79,0,24.86,0.4
MOK32,3.91,0,2.12,0,35.47,33.15,0,0,7.66,0,17.19,0.5
MOK33,18.53,3.96,0,2.64,43.61,26.92,0,0,4.35,0,0,0

Here are the samples for this paper.
 
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9100, align: right"]10.74864643[/TD]
[TD]MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002D, align: right"]16.31440774[/TD]
[TD]MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00A5, align: right"]19.85563900[/TD]
[TD]MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E0, align: right"]21.57664015[/TD]
[TD]MOK18A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F100FF, align: right"]22.90904625[/TD]
[TD]MOK27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EE00FF, align: right"]22.99284236[/TD]
[TD]MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DF00FF, align: right"]23.45421071[/TD]
[TD]MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DD00FF, align: right"]23.51066992[/TD]
[TD]MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DD00FF, align: right"]23.51083580[/TD]
[TD]MOK10B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BB00FF, align: right"]24.50256109[/TD]
[TD]MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A700FF, align: right"]25.09657347[/TD]
[TD]MOK14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9000FF, align: right"]25.75641668[/TD]
[TD]MOK12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6500FF, align: right"]27.03900701[/TD]
[TD]MOK15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #1500FF, align: right"]29.38907110[/TD]
[TD]MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0C00FF, align: right"]29.64236327[/TD]
[TD]MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.56213343[/TD]
[TD]MOK9B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]32.11255206[/TD]
[TD]MOK16A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.90534486[/TD]
[TD]MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]36.82939994[/TD]
[TD]MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]38.20334409[/TD]
[TD]MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]39.12751078[/TD]
[TD]MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]40.56357110[/TD]
[TD]MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]41.65608479[/TD]
[TD]MOK23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]42.42588243[/TD]
[TD]MOK22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Based on Jovialis' coordinates (post #49)

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Dodecadk12bStuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F2FF00, align: right"]7.10973980[/TD]
[TD]MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]7.13288862[/TD]
[TD]MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC000, align: right"]9.34752374[/TD]
[TD]MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7600, align: right"]11.53205966[/TD]
[TD]MOK18A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6B00, align: right"]11.84456838[/TD]
[TD]MOK27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5A00, align: right"]12.36716621[/TD]
[TD]MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4900, align: right"]12.84523258[/TD]
[TD]MOK10B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4800, align: right"]12.89133042[/TD]
[TD]MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2D00, align: right"]13.68285789[/TD]
[TD]MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2A00, align: right"]13.76925924[/TD]
[TD]MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0700, align: right"]14.79943918[/TD]
[TD]MOK14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0009, align: right"]15.25246210[/TD]
[TD]MOK12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0029, align: right"]16.21934956[/TD]
[TD]MOK15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007A, align: right"]18.60279280[/TD]
[TD]MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0081, align: right"]18.79096858[/TD]
[TD]MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C0, align: right"]20.63358427[/TD]
[TD]MOK9B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00E3, align: right"]21.68185416[/TD]
[TD]MOK16A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B400FF, align: right"]24.69359634[/TD]
[TD]MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7A00FF, align: right"]26.41023097[/TD]
[TD]MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2300FF, align: right"]28.97581578[/TD]
[TD]MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.24503430[/TD]
[TD]MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.47546981[/TD]
[TD]MOK23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.62416955[/TD]
[TD]MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.96579891[/TD]
[TD]MOK22
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
My distances from coordinates provided by Jovialis (post 49, used a gradiant of 100):

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani_Combined[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]11.44593378[/TD]
[TD]MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B2FF00, align: right"]17.42200620[/TD]
[TD]MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E1FF00, align: right"]22.03547140[/TD]
[TD]MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]23.86057837[/TD]
[TD]MOK18A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, align: right"]24.96407018[/TD]
[TD]MOK27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFF00, align: right"]24.99093035[/TD]
[TD]MOK10B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFD00, align: right"]25.23786045[/TD]
[TD]MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]25.45299982[/TD]
[TD]MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF400, align: right"]26.03796075[/TD]
[TD]MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]27.12167583[/TD]
[TD]MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]27.80877200[/TD]
[TD]MOK14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDE00, align: right"]28.22450354[/TD]
[TD]MOK12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]29.35501150[/TD]
[TD]MOK15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]31.76865908[/TD]
[TD]MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB700, align: right"]32.08000779[/TD]
[TD]MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA500, align: right"]33.79543164[/TD]
[TD]MOK9B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9800, align: right"]35.05058915[/TD]
[TD]MOK16A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"]37.97799494[/TD]
[TD]MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6900, align: right"]39.70144204[/TD]
[TD]MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6900, align: right"]39.71255343[/TD]
[TD]MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4F00, align: right"]42.30256612[/TD]
[TD]MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4400, align: right"]43.32400836[/TD]
[TD]MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3700, align: right"]44.63727590[/TD]
[TD]MOK23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3000, align: right"]45.25635535[/TD]
[TD]MOK22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
It would be for the umpteenth time the discovery of hot water. It is obvious that a civilization such as the Greek one, which was able to expand and cover a territory that went from Anatolia to North Africa and the Spanish and French coasts, was genetically a non-homogenous population.

The typical error of these amateur bloggers passionate about genetics, who some users, with great naivety, consider professionals, is that they lack the most basic historical and archaeological knowledge. Even geneticists have often insufficient historical, archaeological, linguistic and anthropological knowledge, let alone amateur bloggers.




Davidski is saying this because of the presumed Slavic migration story in Greece. He is angry at geneticists who don't give a damn about this story, as if the whole world should revolve around the Slavs.


When people stop being interested in ancient history only because of personal issues concerning their own identity, it will always be too late.
Before the Slavs were the Celts and the Goths, the Vandals and the Avars. Get in line, Slavs! Before those invaders there was all the migration of artisans to Athens and other thriving Greek cities from all over the Med. Even before that all the pockets of surviving Pelasgians (EEFs). Yep there was a lot of admixture.
 
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:
[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(66.60912437503953, 100%, 50%)"]6.67385945[/TD]
[TD]MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(61.633105273622796, 100%, 50%)"]7.29586184[/TD]
[TD]MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(59.714067976019486, 100%, 50%)"]7.53574150[/TD]
[TD]MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(57.01403330899809, 100%, 50%)"]7.87324584[/TD]
[TD]MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(53.566418130586996, 100%, 50%)"]8.30419773[/TD]
[TD]MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(49.64073906016351, 100%, 50%)"]8.79490762[/TD]
[TD]MOK14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(49.25783152885403, 100%, 50%)"]8.84277106[/TD]
[TD]MOK18A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(48.77016355486977, 100%, 50%)"]8.90372956[/TD]
[TD]MOK27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(46.54675500701143, 100%, 50%)"]9.18165562[/TD]
[TD]MOK10B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(45.043159084710624, 100%, 50%)"]9.36960511[/TD]
[TD]MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(35.65233850307408, 100%, 50%)"]10.54345769[/TD]
[TD]MOK15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(32.568307805464485, 100%, 50%)"]10.92896152[/TD]
[TD]MOK12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(24.231479075846664, 100%, 50%)"]11.97106512[/TD]
[TD]MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(16.205834460698142, 100%, 50%)"]12.97427069[/TD]
[TD]MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(14.337806193511184, 100%, 50%)"]13.20777423[/TD]
[TD]MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-7.762128974121282, 100%, 50%)"]15.97026612[/TD]
[TD]MOK16A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-9.98801175493071, 100%, 50%)"]16.24850147[/TD]
[TD]MOK9B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-37.53864795662048, 100%, 50%)"]19.69233099[/TD]
[TD]MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-47.85774929981636, 100%, 50%)"]20.98221866[/TD]
[TD]MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-69.6424087592224, 100%, 50%)"]23.70530109[/TD]
[TD]MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-71.29418600678903, 100%, 50%)"]23.91177325[/TD]
[TD]MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-85.77970356670264, 100%, 50%)"]25.72246295[/TD]
[TD]MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-88.9418981439577, 100%, 50%)"]26.11773727[/TD]
[TD]MOK23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(-90.54475628711344, 100%, 50%)"]26.31809454[/TD]
[TD]MOK22

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]




[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(90.17181528, 100%, 50%)"]3.72852309[/TD]
[TD]35.60% MOK17A + 64.40% MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(87.66438672000001, 100%, 50%)"]4.04195166[/TD]
[TD]67.60% MOK17A + 32.40% MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(85.97020528, 100%, 50%)"]4.25372434[/TD]
[TD]59.20% MOK14 + 40.80% MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(85.27847136, 100%, 50%)"]4.34019108[/TD]
[TD]38.80% MOK17A + 61.20% MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(83.8613628, 100%, 50%)"]4.51732965[/TD]
[TD]53.80% MOK15 + 46.20% MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(82.00597608000001, 100%, 50%)"]4.74925299[/TD]
[TD]70.00% MOK17A + 30.00% MOK23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(81.71572216, 100%, 50%)"]4.78553473[/TD]
[TD]41.80% MOK16A + 58.20% MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(81.15719224, 100%, 50%)"]4.85535097[/TD]
[TD]65.20% MOK17A + 34.80% MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(79.3433712, 100%, 50%)"]5.08207860[/TD]
[TD]52.40% MOK17A + 47.60% MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(78.72418400000001, 100%, 50%)"]5.15947700[/TD]
[TD]33.80% MOK17A + 66.20% MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(78.5869364, 100%, 50%)"]5.17663295[/TD]
[TD]70.60% MOK17A + 29.40% MOK22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(77.68199464, 100%, 50%)"]5.28975067[/TD]
[TD]39.40% MOK31 + 60.60% MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(76.53272192, 100%, 50%)"]5.43340976[/TD]
[TD]64.00% MOK17A + 36.00% MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(76.30612744, 100%, 50%)"]5.46173407[/TD]
[TD]86.80% MOK13 + 13.20% MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(76.09023168, 100%, 50%)"]5.48872104[/TD]
[TD]68.40% MOK17A + 31.60% MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(75.58876424, 100%, 50%)"]5.55140447[/TD]
[TD]56.20% MOK13 + 43.80% MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(75.54394056000001, 100%, 50%)"]5.55700743[/TD]
[TD]53.00% MOK17A + 47.00% MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(73.21364016, 100%, 50%)"]5.84829498[/TD]
[TD]33.60% MOK17A + 66.40% MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(72.30801344, 100%, 50%)"]5.96149832[/TD]
[TD]52.80% MOK14 + 47.20% MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(72.06819256, 100%, 50%)"]5.99147593[/TD]
[TD]55.60% MOK20 + 44.40% MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(71.61416176, 100%, 50%)"]6.04822978[/TD]
[TD]61.40% MOK29A + 38.60% MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(70.96106752, 100%, 50%)"]6.12986656[/TD]
[TD]60.00% MOK10B + 40.00% MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(70.92372728000001, 100%, 50%)"]6.13453409[/TD]
[TD]47.40% MOK29A + 52.60% MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(70.33994992000001, 100%, 50%)"]6.20750626[/TD]
[TD]26.60% MOK10B + 73.40% MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(70.13679848000001, 100%, 50%)"]6.23290019[/TD]
[TD]64.00% MOK13 + 36.00% MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Here is the Dodecad Globe 13 coordinates:

Code:
MOK9B,0,0.47,0.33,0,4.84,0,37.24,0,2,5.45,48.53,0,1.14
MOK10B,0,0.61,0.78,0,11.69,0,38.83,0,0,6.1,40.76,0.76,0.46
MOK12,0,0,0.12,0,6.11,0,42.05,1.47,0.31,6.54,43.01,0,0.41
MOK13,0,0.39,0.75,0,8.05,0,42.3,0.49,0.69,9.68,37.64,0,0
MOK14,0,0.78,0.52,0.54,6.68,0,38.85,0.57,0,9.6,42.46,0,0
MOK15,0,0.11,0.75,0,7.98,0,38.74,0.65,0.1,7.08,44.37,0,0.22
MOK16A,0,0,0.21,0.45,5.15,0,37.78,0.74,0,5.83,49.77,0.09,0
MOK17A,0.13,0,0,1.41,12.09,0.89,43.6,0.87,0.53,16.55,23.43,0.17,0.35
MOK18A,0,0,1.38,0.14,8.32,1.24,41.86,0.89,0,7.43,38.72,0,0
MOK19A,0,1,0.82,0,6.86,0.43,35.32,0.58,0,2.76,52.21,0,0.02
MOK20,0,0,0.96,0,8.75,0,37.91,0.36,0.39,8.35,42.92,0.35,0
MOK21A,0,1.63,0.86,0,4.08,0,35.55,0,0,1.48,56.4,0,0
MOK22,0,0.25,0.89,0,5.24,1.53,33.36,0.33,0,0,58.39,0,0
MOK23,0.51,1.24,0.67,0,4.69,0.13,32.78,0,0,0.78,59.21,0,0
MOK24A,0.51,0,0.9,0,7.87,0,38.15,0,0,5.05,46.37,1.15,0
MOK25A,0.95,0,0.38,0.45,7.53,0.5,37.87,0.01,0,6.18,46.14,0,0
MOK26A,0.29,0,0.69,0,8.55,1.05,40,0,0,9.88,39.55,0,0
MOK27,1.35,0.54,0.55,0,9.46,0,39.96,0.45,0,6.07,41.44,0,0.18
MOK28A,0.24,0.46,1.07,0.01,6.34,0,34.92,0.75,0,2.13,54.07,0,0
MOK29A,0.33,0,0.55,0,4.94,0,41.88,0.25,0.5,10.9,40.65,0,0
MOK30,1.13,0.05,1.28,0.16,2.32,0,34.92,0.31,0,4.13,54.93,0.77,0
MOK31,0,0.05,0.73,0,10.74,0,43.52,2.31,0,10.52,32.14,0,0
MOK32,0,1.54,0.4,0.24,12.08,0,36.08,0,0.1,6.19,43.38,0,0
MOK33,0,0,0,1.09,3.87,0,30.33,0,6.81,9.07,48.83,0,0
 
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Jovialis[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC700, align: right"]9.13749419[/TD]
[TD]MOK17A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF005B, align: right"]17.67078097[/TD]
[TD]MOK31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00F0, align: right"]22.07027186[/TD]
[TD]MOK13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EF00FF, align: right"]22.96831513[/TD]
[TD]MOK26A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C600FF, align: right"]24.19065935[/TD]
[TD]MOK18A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B800FF, align: right"]24.60202431[/TD]
[TD]MOK29A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9600FF, align: right"]25.60164253[/TD]
[TD]MOK10B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8E00FF, align: right"]25.83504596[/TD]
[TD]MOK14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7C00FF, align: right"]26.36555897[/TD]
[TD]MOK20[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7600FF, align: right"]26.52408340[/TD]
[TD]MOK27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5200FF, align: right"]27.58360201[/TD]
[TD]MOK32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3700FF, align: right"]28.39128387[/TD]
[TD]MOK15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3600FF, align: right"]28.40546778[/TD]
[TD]MOK12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.41982413[/TD]
[TD]MOK25A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]31.18597762[/TD]
[TD]MOK24A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.42938827[/TD]
[TD]MOK9B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]33.78767231[/TD]
[TD]MOK33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]34.11848473[/TD]
[TD]MOK16A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]37.44198980[/TD]
[TD]MOK19A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]39.43855347[/TD]
[TD]MOK28A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]40.17974863[/TD]
[TD]MOK30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]42.13969388[/TD]
[TD]MOK21A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.49260500[/TD]
[TD]MOK22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]44.92748713[/TD]
[TD]MOK23

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
The Iron Gates HGs still formed a significant percentage of their ancestry.

Interesting that I2a1 was already there; came to the area way before the Slavs, apparently, yes?

More steppe than in Bronze Age Italy and certainly than in Bronze Age Greece. Easier access I suppose.

Certainly no R1a yet, so perhaps only arrived with Slavs.
I think it's the opposite. Some Slavic-like R1a was already present, while Slavic I2a was practically zero percent.

It's interesting they lack E-V13, while late antiquity was full of it, and so were the Thracians. Could the E-V13 carriers caused a south-eastern shift?
 
I think it's the opposite. Some Slavic-like R1a was already present, while Slavic I2a was practically zero percent.

It's interesting they lack E-V13, while late antiquity was full of it, and so were the Thracians. Could the E-V13 carriers caused a south-eastern shift?

That's what Stamov is suggesting:

We noticed that IA Thracian samples shared most genetic drift with Neolithic and especially chalcolithic Balkan samples; they however did not
show continuity with the preceding Copper and Bronze age samples from
Bulgaria, which is puzzling.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.02.446576v1

We have already discussed that potentially the ultimate origin of E-V13 is in Encrusted Pottery Culture from Western Pannonia. Aspurg has put his arguments why this is the case.

We know that Bulgarian Neolithic and Chalcolithic had no E-V13 in their ranks, and it's quite logical to assume so without even aDNA which we have leaks now (image below).

ZREWKTh.png
 
Jovialis’ post #49
Duarte
MOK26A
MOK29A
MOK14
MOK18A
MOK10B
MOK13
MOK15
MOK32
MOK20
MOK31
MOK12
MOK27
MOK25A
MOK24A
MOK17A
MOK16A
MOK33
MOK9B
MOK19A
MOK28A
MOK30
MOK21A
MOK22
MOK23

[TH="align: right"] Distance to: [/TH]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7A00, align: right"] 11.41465286 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6B00, align: right"] 11.85893334 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF2C00, align: right"] 13.71989431 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF1500, align: right"] 14.37556608 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF1400, align: right"] 14.40763339 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF1000, align: right"] 14.51881882 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0500, align: right"] 14.84355079 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0400, align: right"] 14.87050436 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0006, align: right"] 15.19026662 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0016, align: right"] 15.63879791 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0016, align: right"] 15.65147597 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF002B, align: right"] 16.27092192 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0036, align: right"] 16.59652373 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF0039, align: right"] 16.68498726 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF006B, align: right"] 18.15247366 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF00AF, align: right"] 20.15258048 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C1, align: right"] 20.68951425 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #F500FF, align: right"] 22.80255907 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #BF00FF, align: right"] 24.37376869 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #BC00FF, align: right"] 24.45839324 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #A900FF, align: right"] 25.04026358 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #5500FF, align: right"] 27.50002909 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #3500FF, align: right"] 28.45475004 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #1700FF, align: right"] 29.31282484 [/TD]
Duarte
62.20% MOK18A + 37.80% MOK33
59.20% MOK31 + 40.80% MOK33
54.40% MOK17A + 45.60% MOK33
63.00% MOK13 + 37.00% MOK33
76.00% MOK26A + 24.00% MOK33
75.40% MOK29A + 24.60% MOK33
61.00% MOK12 + 39.00% MOK33
59.60% MOK27 + 40.40% MOK33
69.00% MOK26A + 31.00% MOK29A
9.60% MOK17A + 90.40% MOK26A
69.20% MOK14 + 30.80% MOK33
14.40% MOK17A + 85.60% MOK29A
17.60% MOK10B + 82.40% MOK29A
88.20% MOK29A + 11.80% MOK31
68.00% MOK10B + 32.00% MOK33
65.80% MOK32 + 34.20% MOK33
64.60% MOK20 + 35.40% MOK33
69.80% MOK14 + 30.20% MOK17A
62.20% MOK17A + 37.80% MOK30
67.60% MOK15 + 32.40% MOK33
62.80% MOK15 + 37.20% MOK17A
65.00% MOK14 + 35.00% MOK31
45.00% MOK17A + 55.00% MOK24A
44.80% MOK17A + 55.20% MOK25A
39.60% MOK10B + 60.40% MOK14

[TH="align: right"] Distance to: [/TH]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFD400, align: right"] 8.75957231 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFD400, align: right"] 8.76850845 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFBB00, align: right"] 9.50581125 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFB200, align: right"] 9.77410889 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFAF00, align: right"] 9.86483447 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FFA000, align: right"] 10.29639858 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF8B00, align: right"] 10.90973430 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7E00, align: right"] 11.29476280 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7E00, align: right"] 11.29917487 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7D00, align: right"] 11.31295289 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7B00, align: right"] 11.38379609 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF7300, align: right"] 11.62343608 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"] 11.72240240 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6D00, align: right"] 11.78009781 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"] 12.02661288 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"] 12.04271102 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF6400, align: right"] 12.06443484 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF5600, align: right"] 12.47802453 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF5400, align: right"] 12.51590784 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF5200, align: right"] 12.58441893 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF4E00, align: right"] 12.71559827 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF4900, align: right"] 12.85642720 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF3F00, align: right"] 13.15300526 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"] 13.17291788 [/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: #FF3E00, align: right"] 13.18084850 [/TD]

[TH="colspan: 2"]Target: Duarte
Distance: 8.1806% / 8.18059376
[/TH]
MOK18A
MOK33
MOK17A

[TH="colspan: 2"][/TH]

[TD="align: right"] 39.2 [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="align: right"] 38.3 [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="align: right"] 22.5 [/TD]

[TD="colspan: 2"][/TD]






 
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