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Interesting, I’d wonder which way I came by that... direct male ancestry seemingly came out of nowhere 5 generations back @ 1800 N. Carolina. Somebody had suggested to me he may have been a privateer who changed his identity. Perhaps the Spaniard admixture is a clue. On ancestry.com DNA tests I show mostly “Europe West”:
The mixed mode on my mother is what I find most interesting:
1 92%n-european (xing)+8%urkarah (xing)@1.46
The mixed mode on my mother is what I find most interesting:
1 92%n-european (xing)+8%urkarah (xing)@1.46
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To me she looks rather English with bit of North Germanic. Tiny amount of American and Siberian admixture is typical for North Europeans, or perhaps in her case might be a tiny signal of Native American ancestry, like 1%. Hard to say.
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This is why I don’t put much trust in these models, whereas my parents had each “trace” American and San I magically dropped them completely and picked up Pygmy, W-African, and Beringian out of nowhere, seemingly. What I see is somewhat necessary overselection based upon tiny bits of autosomal patterns. One pattern that looks like something seen in San and Papuan samples respectively in my father instead look like Beringian and Pygmy in me when placed next to what was seen as Siberian, Med or Baloch in my mother.
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Hi, I don't know if this is the appropriate venue for that, but I'm intrigued about these results of a Spaniard man (so, they're not mine, I was asked by him exactly about these apparently unusual percentages).
He says he was surprised by his results mainly because, being a Spaniard from a region closer to the Basque Country than to Portugal (yet he clusters closer to Portuguese people) he appears in the Gedmatch calculator for ancient admixtures with a relatively low "Neolithic" (42%) and a really excessive WHG (25.8%), as well as a significant proportion of EHG (18.1%). But I found it a bit weird that "Neolithic", which includes a big chunk of Basal Eurasian, is lumped together with a muuuuuch later admixture than Basal Eurasian. Doesn't that kind of thing cause some distortions due to some overlap?
Also, I notice that there is no admixture that, at least as far as I can see, is a good proxy for CHG or Iranian_Neolithic (though Basal Eurasian was also quite prevalent in the latter). Could it be that his relatively huge % of WHG and EHG are simply an artifact of the lack of a set of admixtures that would be a better fit to his real Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestral admixtures?
I don't know, I just find it a bit implausible that this Modern Spaniard, who clusters on the PCA as very close to other Spaniards and especially to Portuguese people, would have just 42% of "EEF proper" ancestry and almost 26% of "real" WHG. Also, this 18.1% EHG would mean something like 35% of Bronze Age steppe admixture.
Wouldn't he plot in a quite different position from that of average Iberians if those were his ACTUAL genetic makeup?
He says he was surprised by his results mainly because, being a Spaniard from a region closer to the Basque Country than to Portugal (yet he clusters closer to Portuguese people) he appears in the Gedmatch calculator for ancient admixtures with a relatively low "Neolithic" (42%) and a really excessive WHG (25.8%), as well as a significant proportion of EHG (18.1%). But I found it a bit weird that "Neolithic", which includes a big chunk of Basal Eurasian, is lumped together with a muuuuuch later admixture than Basal Eurasian. Doesn't that kind of thing cause some distortions due to some overlap?
Also, I notice that there is no admixture that, at least as far as I can see, is a good proxy for CHG or Iranian_Neolithic (though Basal Eurasian was also quite prevalent in the latter). Could it be that his relatively huge % of WHG and EHG are simply an artifact of the lack of a set of admixtures that would be a better fit to his real Neolithic/Mesolithic ancestral admixtures?
I don't know, I just find it a bit implausible that this Modern Spaniard, who clusters on the PCA as very close to other Spaniards and especially to Portuguese people, would have just 42% of "EEF proper" ancestry and almost 26% of "real" WHG. Also, this 18.1% EHG would mean something like 35% of Bronze Age steppe admixture.
Wouldn't he plot in a quite different position from that of average Iberians if those were his ACTUAL genetic makeup?
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I would definitely need to see more results of Spaniards to speak on that. He has more Neolithic than me on the same test. I will say that peoples of Portugal and into the former region of Leon should have some Suebi ancestral elements, for what it’s worth. I have seen pictures of people from Northern Portugal who look rather Germanic.
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Interestingly WHG admixture increased in farmers from EN to LN, and then jumped even higher during Bronze Age, adding EHG at same time too. We also have to keep in mind that Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia already contained 10% of WHG, which could have been separated and included in this K11 run as WHG.
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42% Neolithic farmer is normal for Southern Europeans on the MDLP K 11 modern. It's what I get. The total "European hunter gatherer" is about the same for me as for the Spaniard, just reversed, with me getting more EHG and less WHG.
Neolithic 42.72
EHG 24.013
WHG 18.424
The only other difference is that I get no African, but I get more Basal (13%)
Those scores make absolutely no sense to me and don't correlate with scores on other calculators. Also, according to academic analyses, Italians from my part of Italy should have about 25-30% steppe, so how could I have such high EHG; it should be about 15%.
Imo, people shouldn't take this amateur stuff so seriously. Who knows how they form their clusters.
Neolithic 42.72
EHG 24.013
WHG 18.424
The only other difference is that I get no African, but I get more Basal (13%)
Those scores make absolutely no sense to me and don't correlate with scores on other calculators. Also, according to academic analyses, Italians from my part of Italy should have about 25-30% steppe, so how could I have such high EHG; it should be about 15%.
Imo, people shouldn't take this amateur stuff so seriously. Who knows how they form their clusters.
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This is what it gives me:
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Basal[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]13.20[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Iran-Mesolithic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]3.55[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Neolithic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]39.62[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Oceanic[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]0.92[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]EHG[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]24.47[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]SEA[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]Siberian[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff, align: right"]- [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffff"]WHG[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: right"]18.25[/TD]
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Bro, nice.
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lol, XD. Still wondering what this oceanian i keep getting is
Back migration from Tazmania.
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It depends on calculator.
She seems northern-shifted but I'm not sure if it is more Germanic or Baltic (in Eurogenes K15 she has high North Sea but also high Baltic - she has the highest Baltic of us four, while my mom has the highest North Sea, my dad and me have high Atlantic).
Our Eurogenes K15 (grandma / mom / dad / me):
North Sea - 23.25 / 26.77 / 24.18 / 22.24
Atlantic - 17.26 / 14.93 / 19.34 / 19.65
Baltic - 27.75 / 23.96 / 24.98 / 25.41
East Euro - 17.96 / 19.95 / 15.86 / 18.22
West Med - 6.29 / 5.53 / 5.16 / 5.35
West Asian - 4.97 / 4.42 / 4.74 / 6.36
East Med - 1.23 / 3.32 / 4.53 / 2.70
Red Sea - 0.87 / 0.24 / 0.00 / 0.00
South Asian - 0.43 / 0.17 / 0.00 / 0.07
Amerind - 0.00 / 0.54 / 0.00 / 0.00
Oceanian - 0.00 / 0.00 / 0.23 / 0.00
NE African - 0.00 / 0.17 / 0.96 / 0.00
Eurogenes K36 (from FTDNA data) for comparison:
(grandma has the highest North Sea in this case)
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[TD]Eurogenes K36[/TD]
[TD]Grandma[/TD]
[TD]Mom[/TD]
[TD]Dad[/TD]
[TD]Me[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Amerindian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Arabian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.65[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Armenian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Basque[/TD]
[TD]1.25[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.29[/TD]
[TD]0.91[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Central African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.05[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Central Euro[/TD]
[TD]5.66[/TD]
[TD]8.82[/TD]
[TD]10.15[/TD]
[TD]9.80[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East Balkan[/TD]
[TD]5.16[/TD]
[TD]5.10[/TD]
[TD]8.33[/TD]
[TD]8.54[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East-Central Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East-Central Euro[/TD]
[TD]23.68[/TD]
[TD]22.14[/TD]
[TD]19.23[/TD]
[TD]22.87[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]East Med[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eastern Euro[/TD]
[TD]16.77[/TD]
[TD]14.63[/TD]
[TD]13.70[/TD]
[TD]13.99[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Fennoscandian[/TD]
[TD]7.50[/TD]
[TD]11.95[/TD]
[TD]11.05[/TD]
[TD]9.32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]French[/TD]
[TD]4.10[/TD]
[TD]6.50[/TD]
[TD]5.28[/TD]
[TD]4.93[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Iberian[/TD]
[TD]6.59[/TD]
[TD]2.00[/TD]
[TD]6.23[/TD]
[TD]0.39[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Indo-Chinese[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Italian[/TD]
[TD]5.57[/TD]
[TD]6.62[/TD]
[TD]3.34[/TD]
[TD]5.96[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Malayan[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Near Eastern[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]1.93[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Atlantic[/TD]
[TD]9.20[/TD]
[TD]6.55[/TD]
[TD]9.10[/TD]
[TD]8.14[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]1.62[/TD]
[TD]4.14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]2.15[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]North Sea[/TD]
[TD]12.12[/TD]
[TD]10.89[/TD]
[TD]10.51[/TD]
[TD]11.81[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Northeast African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Oceanian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Omotic[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]South Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]South-Central Asian[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]South Chinese[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Volga-Ural[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.36[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West African[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]0.78[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.24[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]West Med[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]0.17[/TD]
[TD]1.20[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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We're really close again.
The only difference is that you get that 3.55 Iran Chalcolithic. I only get less than .5%. If you add that to your 39.6 Neolithic you get to my 42%.
You're unusually close to Italians for an Albanian, yes?
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We're really close again.
You're unusually close to Italians for an Albanian, yes?
I don't know. In gedmatch albanians do tend to show up in the top 3 results so I'm guessing there must be enough like me. But maybe its also these calculators are not as good at distinguishing from balkans/south euros?
No clue, confusing and exciting though
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My Harappa results:
Caucasian 48.75
Baloch 19.75
SW Asian 10.72
Mediterranean 7.16
NE Euro 7.08
NE Asian 1.75
South Indian 1.57
Siberian 1.42
Top result by Least Squares is Azeri, then Turk, and Armenian third. Being half Azeri half Armenian Harappa ended up being fairly accurate predictor
Caucasian 48.75
Baloch 19.75
SW Asian 10.72
Mediterranean 7.16
NE Euro 7.08
NE Asian 1.75
South Indian 1.57
Siberian 1.42
Top result by Least Squares is Azeri, then Turk, and Armenian third. Being half Azeri half Armenian Harappa ended up being fairly accurate predictor
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Right on. Looking at your numbers, some of them fit very well Armenians some Azeris. Though all of the nations below are very closely genetically related.
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[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]S Indian[/TD]
[TD]Baloch[/TD]
[TD]Caucasian[/TD]
[TD]NE Euro[/TD]
[TD]SE Asian[/TD]
[TD]Siberian[/TD]
[TD]NE Asian[/TD]
[TD]Papuan[/TD]
[TD]American[/TD]
[TD]Beringian[/TD]
[TD]Mediterranean[/TD]
[TD]SW Asian[/TD]
[TD]San[/TD]
[TD]E African[/TD]
[TD]Pygmy[/TD]
[TD]W African[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]stalskoe, Dagestan[/TD]
[TD]xing[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]24%[/TD]
[TD]41%[/TD]
[TD]21%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]north-ossetian[/TD]
[TD]harappa[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]19%[/TD]
[TD]45%[/TD]
[TD]14%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]5%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]kumyk[/TD]
[TD]yunusbayev[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]21%[/TD]
[TD]47%[/TD]
[TD]16%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]chechen[/TD]
[TD]yunusbayev[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]22%[/TD]
[TD]51%[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]adygei[/TD]
[TD]hgdp[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]18%[/TD]
[TD]57%[/TD]
[TD]16%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]abhkasian[/TD]
[TD]yunusbayev[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]18%[/TD]
[TD]69%[/TD]
[TD]8%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]georgian[/TD]
[TD]harappa[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]20%[/TD]
[TD]62%[/TD]
[TD]6%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]6%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]armenian[/TD]
[TD]harappa[/TD]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]18%[/TD]
[TD]46%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]azeri[/TD]
[TD]harappa[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]19%[/TD]
[TD]43%[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]7%[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]turk[/TD]
[TD]behar[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]16%[/TD]
[TD]47%[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]turk-aydin[/TD]
[TD]hodoglugil[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]12%[/TD]
[TD]38%[/TD]
[TD]14%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]6%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]14%[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]turk-istanbul[/TD]
[TD]hodoglugil[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]16%[/TD]
[TD]45%[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]3%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]turk-kayseri[/TD]
[TD]hodoglugil[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]15%[/TD]
[TD]45%[/TD]
[TD]8%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]10%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]turkish[/TD]
[TD]harappa[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]17%[/TD]
[TD]40%[/TD]
[TD]9%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]4%[/TD]
[TD]2%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]11%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]1%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[TD]0%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]