Politics Gun Debate Tells Us Who Liberals Really Are

[lexico]

In the same line of reasoning of Sabros' I cannot keep wondering whether the 5 (one report said 6) out of 6 gunmen who were shot down by police while crossing a dike (?) in Louisiana really deserved that. One report said the armed men attacked the civli engineer workers while several reports remained silent as to the cause. Why the silence ? Could it have not have been unnecessary fire cuased by an unclear, irrational attept to disarm them ? Does anyone have more details on that one ?

I wonder; had they not been armed, they might not have gotten killed.

 

[nurizeko]

Funny, i dont carry a gun, and the vast majority of britons dont carry guns, and yet i still feel safe and secure.

Maybe the reason having a gun makes you feel safe is because in your country everyone could possibly have one, whereas in britain, its just normal to assume that until someone pulls it, they arnt carrying one.


Its nice to live in a society where guns are the preserve of the hardcore underclass of criminals and police armed officers.


Our thugs therefor carry mainly knives, and your thinking "well a gun would own a knife" but, life doesnt work like that, because of the fact guns are a rarity in british society, criminals who feel they need to carry one are a rarity in british society, therefor, if i am to come across a criminal, the statistical chances are he will be carrying a knife instead of a gun, now, i like those odds more then american ones, i dont want to come across a thug at all, but if i have to, at least a knife is prospect i feel i could handle myself in better then a gun, i could grab his arm as he lunges at me and disable him, but with a gun, he just needs to squeeze the trigger and im severely injured or dead.

Of course i think pepper spray would be nice to carry but, its outlawed in britain so, :S.

Anyway in most crimes like this, the crook isnt going to give you much time to react anyway, its convenient to expect you will see every crime comming and be able to think clearly and logically in slow-motion movie style, but crooks arnt fighters, they will ussually come in quick, silent and do their damage before you can retaliate, or they will pick on the weak.

Chances are, you wont have time to pull a gun anyway, i know because, though not a rough neighbourhood, its got its share of teenage self proclaimed kings of the neighbourhood, and when your a small kid, you have a habit of having to run alot,and hiding, especially since the local estate is only 10-15 minute walk away.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Ghost is talking about the "Stand Your Ground" law in Florida. Previous Florida law only provided lethal force as a LAST option (unless you were in your own house.) Provided you could attempt escape, or reasonably use less than lethal force if attacked outside your house- the use of lethal force could have resulted in a manslaughter charge. Now, the law in Florida allows you to use lethal force even if escape, or a less lethal option is available. It made my day. I guess it was already okay to kill intruders in your own house.

In the UK you can't use lethal force on someone even if they enter your house unlawfully - I think the current guidelines are pretty sensible.

 

[No-name]

I used to own guns, but for sport and not for self defense. I don't own any now, but I do kinda miss a couple of old military rifles my uncle had- and enfield and a garand.

I grew up in a rough neighborhood in East LA, and I always felt safe until someone around me had a gun. Actually using a gun for protection leaves you very few options. You can't shoot the gun out of the other guy's hand, and it doesn't have a stun setting. You're kind of left with either bluffing or snuffing. In my 41 years I have not remotely had the opportunity where killing someone would have been the best option.