Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[Piro Ilir]

Blah Blah Blah

most of Albanians died at battle of menina, Batle oF Paramythia, batle of ko.... how ever
at all the batlles greek gave with Nazi's the Albanians were 2 times more than the power of the Nazis
SO STO THE LIES, IT IS NOT GOOD TO YOUR MENTALITY TO LIVE SUCH

YOU BURNED MORE THAN 3200 HOUSES, AND YOU FIGHT WITH NAZIS BUT WITH TWICE MUCH WILLING,S
SO GO AND AND TELL THESE CRUP TO THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW,CA
USE INSIDE YOU YOU KNOW THE TRUTH,

he is Mozar Ntino, the right hand and biggest helper of NAZIs at Epirus, an Albanian that ordered the execution by hanging of 49 Greeks in one cause they deny KSILIA, the FASISTIC ALBANIAN COMITTE THAT WAS COOPERATING WITH NAZIS AND MUSSOLINI,

WHATS CAREFULLY THESE ARE ALBANIANS WITH WHAT FLAG? and going were? THE ENTRANCE OF ALBANIANS AT PARAMYTHIA TO HANG THE GREEKS


THE GERMAN HEAD OFFICER LANTS LADS in greek ΛΑΝΤΣ, gave the list and all the pappers,
all the slains and the burned hoouses and the robberires were designed by Albanians,
you see Fasistic Italia and Nazi Germany promised Albanians that they will get west Greece after the war,
and Albanians came from all over creating KSILIA and MILICA and fight with Germans,
IT IS WELL KNOWN FOR EACH GERMAN SOLDIER THERE WERE 2 ALBANIAN MILICA (militia)

7 Germans officers and soldiers after the war, describe the KSILIA and ALBANIAN milica as more Brutal and hatefull,


WANT MORE?

minute 10:01
ALBANIANS SOLDIERS UNDER THE COMAND OF NAZI
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for every german soldier 2 Albanians were dead,

PS
WHAT ABOUT THE ORHANS OF THE GREEKS THAT ALBANIAN HANG?
WHAT ABOUT THE HOMELESS OF THE >3200 HOUSES THAT ALBANIANS BURNED IN EPIRUS?

come on, FACE the truth once in your Life.
I even gave names and historical documents,

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besides soon new STATUS GVO is coming, Big KOSSOVA is the next power in Balkans

Firstly: what is the status GVO you mentioned above and why is coming big Kosova? As I know Greece is going to recognize the independence of Kosova, but that's all.
As I said the Albanian state was invaded. So there was not an alliance between Albania and Germany nor with Italy. You liked or not this is a historical fact. The genocide made by the war criminal Napoleon Zerva will be recognized by the great powers soon.
Why the Greek government on the past and today either, never allowed the Albanian schools on the Greek territory. What is wrong with the Albanian language?

 

[Piro Ilir]

Each side burning or destroying something according to own power

PKK roadblock with burning vehicles

This is PKK related group action during the last Turkish-Kurdish ceasefire
http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_pkk-supporters-burn-schools-in-southeast_359026.html

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I see no difference between these actions

Turkish Attack
http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/turkish-jets-destroy-bridge-damage-properties-in-arbil/

or PKK attack

You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

 

[Alan]

You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

That guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is comparing material damage such as company trucksm(probably providing ISIS with more guns) by a "PKK related group" not even PKK themselves (thats like me showing a girl stoned by ISIS and Nusra and saying , Turkey did it but he himself was totally against it),
to systematic destruction of thousand villages and forced resettlement of villagers.

He can tell jokes like not being "nationalistic" all day but his attempts to always defend the actions of Turkey instead of simply aknowlding speaks tons of words. I had allot to do with Turkish racists and I know what I am talking about.


Not only that he also uses the same logic and tactics as every Turkish MHP sympathizer, Kurd hater and racist. Most of his news for comparison are years old have absolutely nothing to do with this conflict and since it is always Turkish news (they only seem to know Turkish websites, it's like they are searching for confirmation for their lies among themselves)

Here is a women from Varto allegedly a PKK sympathizer who was murdered stripped naked and thrown on the streets by Turkish special forces


Warning small but graphical image.

https://www.facebook.com/4812238319...41835.481223831956793/867577076654798/?type=1

 

[Boreas]

You miss something here. Turkey is not pkk. Turkey is supposed to be a democratic country and pkk a terrorist organization.

If I thought like you, Albanian, Serbians, Greece etc would be states like ISIS and with same opposite perspective Ottomans are just invalders.

Neither Turkey is a democratic country and PKK is a terrorist organisation
Nor Turkey is a Nazi Republic and PKK is an organisation of honoured freedom fighters.

and how good democracy is another topic.

The most of the reason of the conflicts on Earth is people's stick views, according to their own perspective.

 

[Boreas]

That guy has no idea what he is talking about. He is comparing material damage such as company trucksm(probably providing ISIS with more guns) by a "PKK related group" not even PKK themselves

Please don't open your mouth just to say something

It knows as PKK Youth

https://news.vice.com/video/pkk-youth-fighting-for-kurdish-neighborhoods?utm_source=vicenewsaunzfb

He can tell jokes like not being "nationalistic" all day but his attempts to always defend the actions of Turkey instead of simply aknowlding speaks tons of words. I had allot to do with Turkish racists and I know what I am talking about.

Not only that he also uses the same logic and tactics as every Turkish MHP sympathizer, Kurd hater and racist. Most of his news for comparison are years old have absolutely nothing to do with this conflict and since it is always Turkish news (they only seem to know Turkish websites, it's like they are searching for confirmation for their lies among themselves)

Yes, Iraq is part of Turkey so www.iraqinews.com is a Turkish Website.

The big irony in here is that you are accusing me of being Turkish Racist. However you are questioning origin of news which I shared, not their reality, so thanks to show yourself my haplo brother. :grin:

 

[Alan]

Turkish soldiers and police infront of a School in Diyarbakir.
https://www.facebook.com/Diyarbakir.ysn/videos/1128034500562282/

There are also brutal images of turkish police and soldiers murdering civilians and dragging their corps on the streets.

 

[Alan]

www.iraqinews.com[/URL] is a Turkish Website.

The big irony in here is that you are accusing me of being Turkish Racist. However you are questioning origin of news which I shared, not their reality, so thanks to show yourself my haplo brother. :grin:

My my, mate what kind of shameless liar are you? The Iraqinews article is about Turkish Jets destroying bridges and bombing Kurdish villages and not about alleged "PKK attack on schools". SO how does this disprove my claim that you always use Turkish articles to prove your point about PKK? Are you blind? I doubt, I think you are simply tro l ling as usual. Do you understand the difference? Sure attacks of Turkish jets are from international media outlets, because they are true but claims of PKK attacks on "schools" are only in Turkish news. I ask myself why?

 

[Piro Ilir]

If I thought like you, Albanian, Serbians, Greece etc would be states like ISIS and with same opposite perspective Ottomans are just invalders.

Neither Turkey is a democratic country and PKK is a terrorist organisation
Nor Turkey is a Nazi Republic and PKK is an organisation of honoured freedom fighters.

and how good democracy is another topic.

The most of the reason of the conflicts on Earth is people's stick views, according to their own perspective.

Whatever pkk do, has nothing to do with Turkish government. The government of Turkey can't react and use the same manners as the PKK. PKK maybe is gonna put bombs and kill an whole Turkish village. The Turkish government can't do the same against the Kurdish villages. The Turkish government is a democratic elected government. You can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials , by another crime made by PKK or other illegal organizations.

 

[Boreas]

My my, mate what kind of shameless liar are you? The Iraqinews article is about Turkish Jets destroying bridges and bombing Kurdish villages and not about alleged "PKK attack on schools". SO how does this disprove my claim that you always use Turkish articles to prove your point about PKK? Are you blind? I doubt, I think you are simply tro l ling as usual. Do you understand the difference? Sure attacks of Turkish jets are from international media outlets, because they are true but claims of PKK attacks on "schools" are only in Turkish news. I ask myself why?

What a pathetic self defense. Just like a religious or ethnic fanatic

My news are old and not relevant with now

Turkish news gave that news two days ago, but as we know, you can share news from Kurdish website and I can't share Turkish. Because mine's are twisted.

http://sentinelrepublic.com/iran-issues-diplomatic-note-to-turkey-over-pkk-attacks-on-trucks/86283/

No we got note to not fight with PKK...

Whatever pkk do, has nothing to do with Turkish government. The government of Turkey can't react and use the same manners as the PKK. PKK maybe is gonna put bombs and kill an whole Turkish village. The Turkish government can't do the same against the Kurdish villages. The Turkish government is a democratic elected government. You can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials , by another crime made by PKK or other illegal organizations.

This is your problem, you are saying true things but looking from another stick small perspective.

Of course, I can't justify a crime made by Turkish officials or Turkish goverments, how can you get this point?

But Turkey-PKK conflict won't solve looking from Turkey is a good guys, and PKK is illigal organisation.

However when I make a criticising Erdoğan or a crime made by Turkish officials, I am wanting to see same thing between in Kurds against PKK.

 

[Yetos]

@ Boreas

do not worry,
Pirro has not seen war in his lands for centuries,
soon they know how it is,
they will have the biggest civil war in Balkans ever

 

[Yetos]

Guys
this war will expand, soon,

it will pass to balkans soon enough,

 

[LeBrok]

I can't believe that US is still trying to help and rebuild Iraq, as it was a country. Iraq is gone forever, period. To really give a blow to ISIS is a promise from the US, West and UN to Sunnis of Iraq that they will receive their own and new country from Iraq-Sunni land. In this case they wouldn't need ISIS to protect them from Shia/Iran coalition. Also some framework is needed to work on Sunni Iraqi and Kurdish boarder. It should be worked out under multilateral UN umbrella for example. Otherwise, when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.

 

[DuPidh]

I can't believe that US is still trying to help and rebuild Iraq, as it was a country. Iraq is gone forever, period. To really give a blow to ISIS is a promise from the US, West and UN to Sunnis of Iraq that they will receive their own and new country from Iraq-Sunni land. In this case they wouldn't need ISIS to protect them from Shia/Iran coalition. Also some framework is needed to work on Sunni Iraqi and Kurdish boarder. It should be worked out under multilateral UN umbrella for example. Otherwise, when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.

For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem. Although I am not specifically sympathetic to Kurds I do support their efforts for independence. An ethnic community of that size without a country is not right.
US is not in a favorable position to support Kurdish independence since in the Arab world it will be seen as not a friendly move by the US against another Arab country. Arabs are a big community in the are which are projected that in two decades to number maybe 600 million souls.

 

[Boreas]

@ Boreas

do not worry,
Pirro has not seen war in his lands for centuries,
soon they know how it is,
they will have the biggest civil war in Balkans ever

Can you be more specific about Civil War? After Kosovo, the only country which has large ethnic minorities is now Bosnia. Did you mean it?

when ISIS is gone there will be Iraqi Sunni-Kurdish war about the lands of mixed ethnic element. With some farsightedness we could avoid a new conflict.

I agree

For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem.

İn the mid term you can't have good relation with Shia South Iraq and Iraq Kurdistan, and even Russia wants the Kurds in own side. Iran won't allow it, Iran is natural ally of Shia Iraq.

or

US and Turkey are supporting Iraq Kurdistan but will US support big Kurdistan?

what a chaotic situation :grin:

 

[LeBrok]

For some reason Kurds are seen as potential Iranian allies. And that is a big problem. Although I am not specifically sympathetic to Kurds I do support their efforts for independence. An ethnic community of that size without a country is not right.

Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US is not in a favorable position to support Kurdish independence since in the Arab world it will be seen as not a friendly move by the US against another Arab country. Arabs are a big community in the are which are projected that in two decades to number maybe 600 million souls.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.

 

[LeBrok]

or

US and Turkey are supporting Iraq Kurdistan but will US support big Kurdistan?

what a chaotic situation :grin:

I'm sure Kurdistan will be a part of NATO in 10-20 years. A crazy world.

 

[Boreas]

I'm sure Kurdistan will be a part of NATO in 10-20 years. A crazy world.

There is no win win

Strong Kurdistan in Russian Pact will displease Iran and Strong Kurdistan in NATO will displease Turkey.

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I hope, there will be no millitary pact on that day.

 

[LeBrok]

There is no win win

Strong Kurdistan in Russian Pact will displease Iran and Strong Kurdistan in NATO will displease Turkey.

It is not about displacing, or picking one or the other. It is about Turks treating Kurds as an equal nation, a partner, a neighbor.

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I hope, there will be no millitary pact on that day.

Or everybody will be in one and same pact.

 

[Yetos]

Guys,

no matter Turkey, Syrria Iraq or even Antarctica,

I think Kurds, deserve a piece of land to create their state,
I do not know how big,
I do not know where,
but when you have a clear indipendent state,
Everybody respects you different

 

[DuPidh]

Kurds are mostly Sunni but Iranians are mostly Shia. They are not allies, except temporarily against common enemy ISIS.

US invested 1 trillion dollars in building new democratic Iraq. They don't want to conceive a defeat in this goal. US wanted a strong Iraq to counter act against powerful Iran. US bureaucrats can't admit that one strong Iraq is over. It has nothing to do with pleasing Arabs.[/QUOTE

About 10 million Kurds live in Iran. Nobody is talking about them having their own state. When you think that 250 000 slavisized Albanians that call themselves Montenegrins have a state, and 10 mill Kurds in Iran, or another 10 mill Kurds in Turkey, or 7 Mill Kurds in Iraq, or 2 million Kurds in Syria do not have a state, its kind of crazy. They do need a state. But the minute their state is created you will have Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey wanting to destroy them. So this could also be an obstacle for the US to recognize a Kurdish state. If US recognizes such a state it has to defend it. But countries against a Kurdish state have a combined population of 250 million people,