In the rest of Spain and even in Catalonia many people do not like independence, but independence Catalan by birth, not of origin are even more despised, are considered the worst of the worst.
The reason is that these people who are Catalan by birth, an accident often have large and complex to prove they are just as native Catalans are usually twice as radical and intolerant and deny their roots, is regrettable.
I love that foreigners, who are skipping knowing many things here in Spain.
When I say foreign ofcourse I do not mean you, Knovas.
For the sake of the "argument", some facts for you:
ALL present surnames in Iberia trace their origins long before the formation of Spain (and Portugal), so following your simple logic, there's nothing like "Spanish by origins".
Surnames have its origins in different kingdoms and counties, that's the only truth, and then can slightly adapt with the pass of time. Some of them are identified with Castillian language, some of them with Catalan, some with Portuguese, but this only tells
relatively recent information. In short, one more time your baseless claims have been thrown in the trash, since talking about Spanish origins is nothing but nonsense. Time to do some genealogical research, you would be surprised if you check the origins of most common surnames: my known surnames for example can be all traced to Catalonia, and only one surname to Aragón, and this one as well as the other Catalan origin surname of this ancestor, belonged to a person born in Murcia...he was my paternal grandfather, and according to your logic he was half Catalan and half Aragonese then, not Murcian. Rest of grandparents were what you would consider "Catalan", despite having no significant difference concerning their surnames (they were people whose ancestors lived generation after generation in a single Catalan town in Tarragona, just to clarify what we're talking about).
Some other examples concerning what I say, because this can be also applied to regional surnames:
- Soler is a typical Catalan surname, but comes from Soiler, which is French.
- Galindo is a surname which trace its origins in the Peninsula more or less since the 8th century, concretely Aragón. But this surname comes from Gail-Win, what means "the man of the spear", and it's Germanic in origin.
¿Do you see what this means? It's clear as day.
Keep going on twisting things, as you can see the issue is really complex when doing what you're trying to. The fact is
we are dealing with culture, and this is absolutley free and depends only on one person, that simple. The ancestor I refered, if you are interested, considered himself Catalan because he came when he was a child to Catalonia, and he was so proud of this. That's the reality of people, the rest is nonsensical racism. I am talking seriously, think about it because you're going the wrong way.
Reality. The only victimism is yours calling the Catalans Nazis and Talibans, more or less like if what we're doing here it's evil or something like this. If you don't like the right to self-determination and need to spread rubbish like this, the problem is yours. Another one in the trash.
We can trivialize this to the relationship between Spain and Portugal. (As I've mentioned before with my knowledge of Spanish I can easily understand Portuguese, but I can not say the same about Catalan). Does it mean that Portugal must be part of Spain or vice versa?
And I don't say this because I am in favor or against Catalan independence. Simply illogical arguments annoy me as a neutral observer.
Kardu as usual is right. Everyone sees what your doing Carlos, you're blinded by your hate. Again, solve your problems and let people discuss normally.
