Religion Can Muslims live peacefully with Christians, and vice versa?

[Piro Ilir]

Maybe you simply do not know ISLAM. You know maybe muslims, but Islam?
Probably not. Or you know very well and you are diciving us. Why? Because
you belive in such a doctrine... so the probablity is always... There are also
christians, who do not know what Christianity is... so...

If you really do not know what taqiyya is... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya




No, this is not my theory, but if you are asking, I can aswer, that christians can be both
secular and faithfull, becasue Christianity based on the principle: what belongs to Caesar,
to Caesar, what belongs to God - to God. Similar rule was in ancient Israel.

Islam is different. It is more political doctrine, than simply faith.
Islam began as a state, and was spreading by the state...

Most christians through all history were secular - but not unreligious.

So being secular by definition makes you not an apostate in Christianity.
You must be promoting or doing some unbiblical things to be an apostate.

In Islam it is different. You cannot make an accusation based on the same
thing, becasue Islam and Christianity it is not the same - there are totally
different rules and bilieves. If would be the same, then they would not be
two different religions.

Btw, one of the accusations against the West from yours side is
this, that West (Europe) is secular... So why are you so amazed?

First- Islam is not a uniform doctrine. There are different doctrines of Islam. No one has the right to say what is the true Islam, especially someone who is not a Muslim.

Secular Muslim exists today in Albania and Kosova, so according to your logic, they are not Muslims.

 

[Piro Ilir]

so you are a Turko-Albanian,
but you use avatar of a catholic priest,
why?
Do you think that you can deceive us?

When I ever mentioned Turkey here. According to physical appearance, the Greeks seems to be more Turkish than Albanians. Look at the mirror first, who indeed is a Turk from Asia minor [emoji57]

 

[Piro Ilir]

in your post,
you wrote something,
and I said that you might be glad to see that happens,
what is your problem?
look at your country,
which is the 4rth most Jihadist country in the world.

That's pretty false.

When did you see that I was glad or either I said that Europe would be an Islamic state? Don't change my points. I said that intelligence agencies said that on the future, according to the demographic growth the population of Europe would change. This would happen many years from now.

 

[Piro Ilir]

no I am not an Orthodox christian,
I am Polytheist, Pagan, old religion,

I agree with you, nobody can decide for you what you will believe,
BUT CAN YOU DECIDE FOR ME IF I DO NOT SHARE YOUR RELIGION, THAT I AM A KUFAR, AND SINCE THAT NOT WORTHY, AND MUST DIE?
IF YOU DECIDE RADICAL ISLAM, WILL YOU DESTROY THE STATUES OF MY GODS?

that is the difference,
and I am the first here that said that Christianity did that first, millenium before,

But since you live in a country, that is trebling, with one foot in the 'west' and one foot in 'east'
it is rather you that have to decide, and answer to your shelf


modern christianity, has nothing to do with ex-christinity,
time for Islam to accept the different,
to stop consider me, my daughters, etc as Kufar,

PS
you still did not answer me,
If an imam gives a fetva, that no woman should drive,
would you forbid your wife to do so?

There are three types of Muslims
1-the liberals
2-the conservatives
3- the extremists
The same is for Christianity and other doctrines.
Passing the time Islam would more liberal. That's a normal process.

 

[Piro Ilir]

You comment is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike

All terrorist actions are from sunni moslems, I have yet to see any shia terrorism lately ..............if you know of one recently..link it, I will check it out.

As per your ISIS sunni people who state they can create their own version of the Quran as per sunni doctrine, they have changed the anti-slavery doctirne of the Quran and state that by raping Yazidi or any other non sunni women by 10 different sunni men, will automatically make this women a sunni moslem ............this is the way these ISIS sunni state think, an ISIS , backed monetarily by the Saudis and other arabian states ............by backing them , the saudis have basically agreed they support the "changing" of the quran to suit sunni needs ......you call this a religion!

According to you Saudi Arabia has the monopoly of Sunni Muslim doctrine. There are at least four subgroups of Sunni Muslims.

 

[Piro Ilir]

So lets see, how it is in
the Balkans and among
the Albanians in Kosowo...

So, according to you the majority of Alban Muslims who declares that they are Muslims, they are lying. Someone paying them?

The only ones who loves those extremists Muslims are indeed the extremists Christians. They love each other

 

[Rethel]

Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.
[...]


one of the names is Isis.
Thanks for Islam in Europe.
carying name of Isis goddess the mother of Horus, false god


I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.

babylon the greatthe mother of prostitutesand of the abominations of the earth.​

Hi Navi!

 

[Piro Ilir]

yes democracy is weak
it can only survive if the majority of the people accept secularism
you keep telling Balkan Muslims are secular
but I'm not so sure about the Muslims that are entering Europe now
and I'm not so sure about Muslims that entered Europe the last few decades either

looking at Turkey, it is not certain where it will go to
so those Muslims entering Europe now won't help democracy in Europe
they will be a big burden and harmful to both economy and society
some of them even dream of overthrowing democracy in Europe and turn it in a Muslim state in the future
'the Quran is more important than democracy'

Quran is not against democracy.

These people from middle east just don't understand the democracy. I think one day they will change. I think if the West Europe allows them to stay, they should not be EU citizens officially. The citizens should understand what democracy really is.

I don't think that the elections in Turkey were held in a right way.

 

[Rethel]

My religion is true.
No, my religion is true, you infidel!
No, no, my religion is true, you heretic!!
No, no, no, my religion is the true one, you idiots !!!

- I am really tolerant and I love everyone, becasue every one is equal...
- No, you're intolerent, becasue you said something about women, that they are smaller than men, what semms to me BAD, you nazi shovinist swine!
- No, no, my version of tolerance is only true, becasue I love people who are drunkards and I tolerate bestiality, you ignorant intolerant conservative pre-dawkins bastards!
- No, no, no, but i am really tolerant, becasue I am the most tolerant person you bigotts, becasue I want banned bibles and crucifixes and enlarge Islam... you not following correctly Dawkins and modern feminism, you idiots... And I am half-man half-woman, and I have sex with everyone every day and I want to teach this in preschools; you must do as I do, otherwise, you are very backward and intolerant as it is only possible, stupid old fashion evolutionists from the 50s...

So, maybe look first on your own backyard LeBrok...

 

[Piro Ilir]

Sile, ISIS couldn't change it, because muslims was owners of slaves since the beginning.
Mohammed had slaves, and his favorite one was blond girl from Egypt named Mariya, who
bore him even a son Ibrahim. In Koran you have many verses which accepted slavery, and
you can also erased your sins by freeing a slave... In Middleages slavery it was muslims
domain - they captured or byed from the Jews about one million Europeans. One north
african sultan captured 300.000 white girls from Spain. If you consider this that population
was very small, you have the picture. The slave market in Mekka was closed about. 1965.

What has to do this with Islam! Arabs are generally retarded culturally, that's all. They had a different way of life , that's all.

The only difference real difference between Islam and Christianity is the" holy trinity". Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ. In Islam, the Jesus, is a prophet, otherwise is for Christians. They believe that Jesus is the son of God.

 

[Rethel]

Please don't cite people on drugs or mentally infirmed.

Bravo! And this is your tolerance and respect for other people... wonderfull...

 

[Piro Ilir]

You were joking, but you give a very good example how the whites think about.
This is (I suspect) why christianity so well fited to Europe, and why we were
more succesfull than muslims. This thinking comes from the very ancient times
and you can find it in the Bible of course too. This is why we fitted to this texts
and jews (who in majority had "islamic"/middleeastern mentality) didn't.

The result of this, is for example Talmud - they simply must created a new "Bible"
because the old one, was mostly not agreeable with their mentality and culture.

This is mine secular theory [emoji2] Theistic reasons are in this ofcourse too...



There should be a ban of Islam at all... like christianity is banned in Turkey...



And again you have muslim perspective. For you, everything what people do, is according to religion.



Shia - sunni it was a political problem from the beginning.
Your "faithfull" caliphs were simply killing each other because
every one wanted to rule... it was the same as is in Syria now.



No, there isn't.



So you should rise against Islam!
Burn the Mecca, burn the Koran!




But cannot you simply called us christians or peoples?
Taqiya... taqiya...



When we are looking at this hordes which are coming to Europe, and how they behave
or at this people who lived here from some time in gettos - this is really very bad word,
because it insult ancient Germanic peoples... they should be called rather troglodites or
something like that, than barbarians... or maybe pagans... busurmans... saracens...



Yes of course. And this is the third reason, why
this whole neopagan movment is a BIG nonsens.
This is rather carnaval, when they can eat and
wear old fashion clothes than a religion...

For example slavic pagans do not burn widows... :sad-2:



And such an imam is crying laudly about that in Mekka to be heard...

No, indeed you are again wrong. The Christians were not more successful than the Muslims. Instead, Europeans were more successful than the Asiatic people. Why? Simply because the European states separated the religion from the state.

 

[Rethel]

You are not following Juses' preaching. Jesus was tolerant and full of compassion, you are not. I don't think he will great you in heaven.

I really dont know what Bible did you read, but certainly, not the normal.

 

[Rethel]

Secular Muslim exists today in Albania and Kosova, so according to your logic, they are not Muslims.

Again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OogwK5fRHI

Btw... muslims are 1.2 bln. Most of them do not live in Albania and Kosovo...

 

[Rethel]

Quran is not against democracy.

Here you are right. BUT - you can chose only a ruler. You cannot vote abut truths in the Koran.
For example - you cannot vote about swine, alcohol, Mohammed a.s.o. And almost everywhere,
where democracy is implemented, people are choosing the radical parties... This countries were
"liberal" when they were under colonial goverment or dictatorship. Democracy leads to caliphate.
And this is only right chose which this people can do according to Islam, and they are doing this.

 

[Piro Ilir]

you are wrong,

search better,
my Gods are alive and rulling the world,
only you can not see them, blinded by monotheists,
but you still pray to them, hope for their help, and wait their right desicions,

what a pitty,
your God can see all, but his justice is blind, and carries a διστομος ρομφαια (double cut sword/knife), search why?

I suggest you read Parmenides, and enter the Stoics,
and Hesiodos to see the 'Gods' of human nature through times/phase of human society advance,

and my culture is not dead,
you live in it today, only you do not see or realize it,

Every day you chalenge my Gods, but you can not recognize them,
search why,

at least search why christians drink wine in their ultimate mystery, as a symbol of christ blood (not Bakchos!!!) although it was cursed by Noah, and the house of Ρηχαβιτων (Rehab) in your old testament.
it will be a good start to enter the hidden Gods world,

funny isn't it?

the grape field of God, as told in your new testament

but not he

or you prefer this

instead of this

Oh no, what a blind I am,

she holds the only one who ressurect from the dead, but a man

but she bear the only/first woman who ressurect from the dead

oh do not forget,
Jesus said to John, 'here is your mother' etc
but Pershephone introduce Neoptolemus to Demeter (divine mother)

come on man,

at least she is alive, in the world you live, as long as you live

as Parmenides said, until death comes, and you still expect for her
only in apocalypse you call her 'twincut blade of God'

oh yes the Seleykids,
Didn't you did the same to the american originals?
Didn't you force them to christianity?
NO CHRISTIANS GAVE ENLIGHTMENT TO NATURE AMERICANS,
THEY DID NOT FORCE THEM TO CHANGE RELIGION, NEITHER EXTERMINATED THEM,
and you still talk about Seleukids, and just forgot what followed after the discovery of America,
in the name of your monotheistic GOD

no need to mention the wars that reach 30 and more years in Europe, in the name of Christ

oups sorry
I just made your religion ridiculous, a mosaic of stollen gods, unified by monotheists, which serves a certain class

cause in old polytheistic world, we had taxes from state, and donation to Gods,
oh did that change by new religion monotheists? why?

I hope I gave you an answer on how alive is my religion,
and how hoax is yours, as proven 1500 years after in the discovery of America
even today, 2000 years after,
but mine is still alive, and active,
I still chalenge the Deities, do you?

oh it is 08:00 o clock here morning time,
have a nice day,
time to regreat your sins, and come to old religion to liberate you,
monotheists only want to enslave you, through the 'law'
1 do not ..
2 do not ...



PS
Lebrok if you want you can move that, away from thread
simply could not resist the challenge of christians,

Who is the king of ancient gods? Zeus.

The Abraham's God, is the same as Zeus. There is not a huge difference between, the God of Christians, Muslims. Hebrews and ancient people. Zeus is the God. There is only one God. The rest of so called ancient deities ,were just some ancient saints ,who passing the time become deities or gods.

 

[Piro Ilir]

According to new title of the thread, I must say, that only one possible way to live with muslims in peace is maximum
1% of muslims among christian society. As it was in Poland for example for many centuries... Every another propotion
leads to conflict because Muslims imitate Mohammed. When he had maximum 100-150 followers during first 12 years of
his so called prophethood, then he was very nice guy. But when he IMMIGRATED and had some big minority he very quick
during two-three years gain majority, and after that no Jew was living in Jathrib any longer. Jews were abot 1/2 of the
population. Three tribes: first go on his own to rescue their life, second was bannishd and after that enslaved in their new
residance, third one had less luck, because 800-900 men were beheded, children were converted to islam, and women were
enslaved as sex-slaves. After that period, when this guy was dying (luckily, was poisoned by jewish [sic!] women [sic!] so,
according to muslim belives he should burn in hell now... ) all Arabia was muslimized, and when the people wanted after
his death go away from Islam, because new religion was boring them, and Mohammed, who was threatening them was dead,
then Abu-Bakr killed thousands of them... and since then noone in Arabia was never ever even thinking about refusing Islam.
Every one knows, what happedned later with naieghbouring countries... they all became a muslim countries...

So, it is not possible to live in peace with muslims. Becasue they have such a theology, and if you
die during jihad you have not only granted paradise and 70 virgins (or grapes) plus some divine boys,
but you can get with you 70 cousins...

Yes, and the extremists Christians killed Giordano Bruno. Actually they burned him alive. It doesn't mean that modern Christians are the same .

 

[Piro Ilir]

Don't worry, he is working very hard to make from me an intolerant person...
If he cannot do this, he's giving me infractions titled: dissrupting/provocating
behavior... It is so silly... at least he can banned me as a racist, because for
him everything is racist - and everyone who dare do not share his wonderfull
views about Brave New World...

Indeed you are intolerant, because you don't like Muslims as your neighbors. If one don't do anything against you, and you still are against him, this mean you are intolerant.

 

[Piro Ilir]

I would prefer them to convert to christianity. Then will be no problem with them



Do you wish muslims teach your children that Islam is the only true view on the world?

Tolerance form islamic point of view...
Inclusivness with Ummah...
Compassion of Allah who is most compationate?



Not every muslim. But every jihadist is a muslim.
Btw, why you love so much muslims, but hate christians?



Jesus said: go, and make all nations my followers.
Did not have said: allow muslims to convert my followers.
Did not have said: make higher the probability that your neighbour will be killed.



You are joking, right?

And you are always saying that you are for freedom. So why you want to take this freedom from others? Are you a hypocyte?



Why you want use totalitarian method's to promote your views - especially to people who do not wish that? This is your freedom?



But all this books were and are availbe until this day...



But you want do the same thing. You do not allow learn about God and creation in school.
They forced to learn Islam, and you want forced everyone to lern evolution and atheism.



So you are from the same clay...



Would you be so glad if they will be learn about pedophile, bestiality aso?

Learnig christianity and learning about christianity - it is two different things...
btw, this are only words, because your behavior is telling something else.



Nothing, but they were motivated by your philosophy.
They were primarly onest according to what they belived...



Exactly as present day nihilists are...



Do they not want live?

This was your argument.

He never broke the law.
At least he was broking tradition.
This is not the same.

As I see from this couple of sentences about Jesus, you do not know the Bible.
You maybe know some version of sectarian theology - but it is not the same.



This is a stupid question, because Jesus in recordings is not talking about everything.
But he said that he came to fullfill the law - in the law, which he was fullfiling was death
penalty for homosexual behavior, and his apostles were preaching against this behavior.



Of course, from the biblical point of view there is nothing wrong with having a slave.
The only exclusion is this, that hebrew slave in hebrew owner should be a slave only
6 years (BUT if he wanted he can be a slave whole his life) and that kidnaping a free
citizen is a crime with death penalty. And a slave must be good treated, and if he
escape - he cannot be return to his owner. Slavery this is not sadism as you imagine.



Because I read the Bible.
My faith is not this what you mean.
I belive only that God exists (or rather I am cetain of that).
I do not belive in nothing else, in the sens of "faith".
Everything else is a knowledge and deduction.



Probably not, but if I would be true beliver and onest with myself, I would go
to the Bible - as Koran teaches - and I would see, that this is a very different
text. Then I would refuse Islam, as I did twice in my life with others religions.



If someone is beliving in Islam, and Islam teaches such a thing, then he probably would.
But, on my opinion, beliving in Islam is impossible, becasue this religion is anulating itself
very well. They belive in many so absurde things... and Koran is so empty book, that it's
very hard for me to understand, why they belive in such twisted religion.



No, I only respect tradition (BUT NOT RELIGIOUS ONE) aspecially if she's based on rules.
For example, if I would had hg different than R1a, I would be very interesting in customs,
and language of goup of my ancestors... I even wanted have some exotic Y, because this
would be very exiting for me, but I am very normal vistulian indoeuropean... But 10 years
ago I was ready for everything!

Especially for some asiatic of swarthy Y hg.

So, in terms of secular tribe tradition (with very strong revision of it) - yea, I agree.



And you are again wrong, mostly, because you do not read what I am writing, or your assumptions again are stronger than you.
Maybe you was beliving in such religion, but I was/am not. I was born a Catholic, (and I was beliving catholic), my family is nearly
atheistic, but grandma was very devote catholic. I refused both worldviews. After that I was for some time JW, and after that, I
am now an individual christian, and this is really wonderfull expirience.

So I can say, that I refused three times my "tribes" traditions... You're again wrong (as usuall... ).
Or even four, becasue I was also very interested in slavic and germanic mythologies when I was young,
becasue they (especially the first) were seem to be very tribal and very very traditional for me...



You know me soooo weeelll... again you missed.

If this is wrong, why are you following your instincts, claiming, that point of view of your atheistic tribe is the best, and that
everyone (including especially me) is so stupid, because he does not belive in that what you belive? If everyone would be so
smart like you, and would be listening in everything allknowing scientists and "dawkinses" and homosexual activists he would
know, that you are the samrt one, and everybody else are stupid... so why are you following this way of your nihilistic tribe?



By deduction, historical and material proofs, and by comparing recordings of different
religions/philosophies... Especially I had no problem with religion since I saw stupidity
of atheism and evolusion About evolution I was interested also... until this day I like
and enjoy very much films and programs about cavemen This is a real good fantasy!



If you have no problem, then do you have morality?
If they can learn about everything this means, that
you have no principles, values, and you do not have
higher standarts. You yourself do not know what is
good, and what is bad, what is worth to die for, and
what is need to be fight against...

But muslims do, and they will win with nihilists.

Example?
France.
They are the most secular state in Western world.
Effect?
They take to themselves 5 mln muslims, who are hating... France.
And 50.000 secular and exparachristian per year are accepting Islam.
Why?
Because nihilism is not good enough for them, christianism is destroyed
by secular state (which makes brainwash to children) and of course by
christian denominations as well, which do not belive in Bible any more.

So people are searching something worth to live.
And imams in the mosqes have a very good offer
for them - stupid, poor, twisted, paganized and
savage version of abrahamic faith.

So France must be, and will be, a muslim state in near future. The radical one.
This is the end of your ways... very clever...

Their cleverness - coming from your nihilistic loving equaliting philosophy,
lead them not only to destroing themselves, but also to such a ridiculious
ideas, like banning the genetic reaserch... this is your freedom, and your
open minded world... or like this coproducer (I dont remember his name) of
"Avereges - time of ultron", (one of the most hard fighting man-feminist in
sweden) who was attaced and destroing, and his carier was nearly to end,
becasue people from your religion didn't like some one sentence in this film...
This is your madness secular religion, based on using the brain and equality...



But why you must teach them?
For teaching biology iit is not nessecery to teach this things.
You must teach this, because this is a philosophy a religion,
which you want to promote. You do not want to be a neutral
(which secular should mean) but you want your ideology to
be spreading in totalitarian manner.



I see, you are talking about yourself

No, I would teach them about evolution IN HOME, but not as a only true view on the world. They
must know, that something like that exists, and what it is, becasue if they would not know, they
would be a very easy victim for people of your kind. Btw, christianity always was open to every
theory, even if was fighting againt that theory. This is the reason, why you have a heliocentric
theory, not geocentric, why is knowing greek, roman, germanic, slavic or aztec mithology...
This is also the reason why you have science, genetic, and especially archeology and statues
of ancient gods... If in the place of chriostianity would be Islam - everything would be destroy,
and you would be living in totalitarian islamic state walking in every friday to the mosque, and
living like people in VII century in the desert.. maybe with some progress to XIII century...

And you yourself would be promoting the idea to destroy pyramids - they were trying to destroy
them, but they couldn't because had to primitive technology - now they can - they can, becasue
of christian civilization which developed atom... And they will do this, but people of your kind will
of course, by yours ignorace, help them...

True belivers of Yahweh never were stupid or ignorant.
Stupidity and ingnorance are sins. Maybe even the greatest one.

Indeed Le Broke hate intolerant people. Has nothing to do with religion

 

[Rethel]

What has to do this with Islam!

What has to do this with Islam!

Slavery is in Koran.
Mohammed is the perfect example.
Truthfull califs are an example.
This is islam.
So... it has everything to do with Islam.
Because Islam is everything also...

Why do you think Isis is showing everything what they do?
To show people, that they are real true muslims, and that
they are doing everything according to Koran and Sunna.
And this is the reason, why people are going there gladly
form the whole world...

Arabs are generally retarded culturally, that's all. They had a different way of life , that's all.

So go and learn Islam, if you said so... or maybe
you are misleading according to your doctrine?

The only difference real difference between Islam and Christianity is the" holy trinity". Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ. In Islam, the Jesus, is a prophet, otherwise is for Christians. They believe that Jesus is the son of God.

This is not the only dfference, but most important.
And this is the reason, why Islam should be banned in all countries.
Becasue this is false and lying religion with false prophet who was necrofile and pedophile.

p.s. not whole Christianity belives in Trinity.
If Mohammed would have slightly idea about
Bible and christians, he would know this...
But he was biblical and religious ignorant
so muslims are living in jahiliya until this day.