Religion Can Muslims live peacefully with Christians, and vice versa?

[Yetos]

And you are so wrong...

Because Christianity is not a religion of one guy, as Islam.

Christianity is a religion of 60-70 guys and 66-90 books
writing during 4000 years and who are compatible with
each other living in many places.

Islam is a religion of one guy and one book of one man in one time in one place.

So... the difference is huge.

blah blah blah,

The History tends to repeat her shelf,

especially in Monotheistic religions, like yours, created by one man God/Human or God/prophet etc etc


Moses Jesus Mohamet
Judaism Christianity Islam
Pharouch Priests Imams

one thing, Tyranny, dark ages,
your priest will surender you to global tyranny,
it is them who will betray you like Ephialtes

cause when I walk in the valley of death
I fear no evil,
cause I am a man who walks alone
cause if I have God with me, Devil will set me trap (or they are the same?)
but If I am free and alone? whom I have to fear?

Btw? how many years you believe will pass, till NASA finds the city in the sky that Jesus promise you?

reveletions ch 20

 

[LeBrok]

Bible has 31.000 verses, and you know only that one? etrified:

You deliberately ignore this one, one of most important. For this your god will sand you to hell, and I send you to ban. It will be nice to have peace and quiet for a change.

 

[LeBrok]

Why you do not understand the danger?
For now being in Europe is not them too much, and already
they blackmail goverment of Ireland, with terrorist attack
to give them land so they can make enclave [part of Irleand territory], with shariat rights !

Like Muslim Tatars in Poland? Are yo afraid of Muslim Polish Tatars?

So ...as much they are, as much they are afford..
This is serious danger , and you propably wake up too late
Me , Rethel and others will have clean conscience if that beast show up
in full effect.
But you .. What can you say if the black scenario will show up??

I'm not going to live paranoid my whole life because "black" scenario can show up. If it does we deal with it. Some religius fanatics are waiting for the end of world for 2 thousand years now. Surprise, it didn't end, world is going strong, people live longer, healthier, happier. Well, except the few with phobias.

I have tolerance for all people , that the reason, why we in first priority should protect innocents
Not attackers, murderers,thiefs, blackmailers etc etc

Tell it to Muslim Bosnian who were killed and raped by christian Serbian soldier. Where were you to warn them back then?
"Let the one without the sin to cast first stone."

This is impossible , i used proxy server around one year ago, and never use on this forum

I have no reason to do it
Maybe something is storing wrong in my ip
(I do not know too much)

I'll check it out in few days.

 

[LeBrok]

It being hard for you to believe that there's a true religion doesn't make it impossible. The box that sacreligious put religion in is idiotic. It's not about blindly believing something with no evidence, it's not about being superstitious, it's not motivated by fulfilling an emotional gap, it's not full of crazy people, it doesn't cause people to hate and kill each other, it doesn't put the mind in jail and hurt scientific discovery.

It is exactly it. You are just in denial. Religion might be a form of addiction. It makes you feel good, and you need another fix.

Imagine if you believed you know the true religion.

When I was a christian, I always got stuck on this one. How come other people believe in other religion if my is the right one? Plus other good questions: Why god doesn't care to make all people to believe with him under one religion? He doesn't want all of them to go to heaven? He doesn't care for salvation of humans?
Why god chosen only small group of Jews for his people, and only recently about 4,000 years ago? Why he kept millions of other humans in the dark?

 

[Fire Haired14]

It is exactly it. You are just in denial. Religion might be a form of addiction. It makes you feel good, and you need another fix.

No that's true at all. This is exactly what I mean. You give explanations as to why people believe in God to make them appear desperate and stupid.

When I was a christian, I always got stuck on this one. How come other people believe in other religion if my is the right one?

Why do some people think it's okay to kill others? There's lots of opinions, because that is the case doesn't make yours untrue.

Plus other good questions: Why god doesn't care to make all people to believe with him under one religion? He doesn't want all of them to go to heaven? He doesn't care for salvation of humans?

It's up to people's chose. The faithful get the gift, it won't just be made obvious and given to everyone. As Jesus said after he rose from the dead: "blessed are those who believe without seeing" Humans rebel and deserve punishment, Jesus was give as a last chance. It's very easy to understand. Today we're care so much about human rights(which is mostly good) we think anytype of punishment is evil, and harshness in Christianity somehow legitimizes it.

Why god chosen only small group of Jews for his people, and only recently about 4,000 years ago? Why he kept millions of other humans in the dark?

No one knows. I see it as he chose a random ethnic group or their predecessors, because he had a plan for them. This is why I don't take Genesis stories of creation seriously, those were stories that existed before God revealed himself. The Old Testament is writings of revelation from God to Jews, the human aspects are also in it though. If you think about the most advanced societies in the world at that time were in the Near East. The Roman empire though is key. That's how Christianity became widespread.

 

[Piro Ilir]

I am not any wiser by this sheme.

Still the Sufi seem to be a small minority amongst Muslim and the only ones which are tolerant.
Many Muslim hate Sufi. How can they all claim the same religion?

There are many different religious Christian orders who claim Christianity. Why can't happen the same to Muslims! Everyone who believe that there is only one God and Mohamed is his prophet, becomes a Muslim. Only the extremist are against this. They are against the liberal Islam, because they can't understand the liberal doctrines.

The bektashi clerics are monks. They stay at the Muslim monasteries. They are secularist.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Neither you, neither all albanian muslims aren't Mohammed who define what is islamic, and what is not, and you are not 1.2 bln muslims.
Traditional polish muslims, Tatars, were drinking alcohol and celebatered christmas. But it doesn't mean that they represented real Islam.
Now... since the begining of XXI century this version of Islam is probably gone... especialy, that polish Tatars are now a minority among
muslims... most of present day muslims are from real islamic states, who are of course talking similar nonsenses about Islam like you, but
their preachings in mosques and behavior at homes is totaly different... is islamic... and lying as taqiya teaches is islamic too...

So, now you are the one who define who is Muslim and who is not. You have a special gift from God?[emoji47]

No one can't decide that, including you and some ignorant Arabs from middle east and some ayatollahs Iranians .

So if one drink alcohol and go around with girls is not a Muslim, just because you saying so? Everyone could be a Muslim or a Christian even if he is a homosexual. It doesn't matter. The final judgment is from God not from you. And yes, the Muslims and Christians married to each other in Albania, and that's normal, and you can't do anything against it. They still are Christians and Muslims.

 

[Piro Ilir]

You are again miss informed.
Spanish only make a war with savages who were killing each other and sacrifaiced people to pagan gods.
You, as muslim should be glad of that. Most Indians in latin America was mixing with spaniards, and local
tribes were very glad that spaniards arrived and freed them from aztec, mayan and inca opression.

Muslim killed during 1400 years about 250.000.000 people.
Among this 60.000.000 christian and 80.000.000 negors.
You have every record in such kind of behavior.

Or maybe you forgot what your beloved Turkish
(and Albanians among them) did in Ornanto?
How they were very loving and peacefull...

Btw, if you are a nationalist, why you
are beliving in the faith of your opressors?
You would be a christian if Turks woudnt be in Albania.



But they are still muslims and christians. It was possible before,
because Albania was a totalitarian atheistic state. You all were
atheists - so no one cared who was who in the past. But now,
new generation of muslims in Albania has totaly different, true
definition what is Islam and what is not - and it will be enlarge.

p.s. can you make normal quotations, not large as 95% of your posts size?

Frankly, I don't care about massacres of middle ages. It is because people trying to invade others not because of religion.

Turkish were not my beloved ones. Stop insulting me. One who invade my country is not beloved one. Scanderbeg is loved in Albania, and Albanians don't care about his religion. Important is that he was an Albanian, a real one. He is the symbol of Albanians, including mother Teresa of Calcutta. (Ethnic Albanian from Skopje) . Albanians are proud of their patriots no matter what is their religion. Frankly, they don't care. The religion it's something personal.

And stop saying the word "you" . I am representing here only myself. Either you, are not representing here all the Catholics. Look at my avatar. He was an important Albanian priest of early 20 century. He was a great man and a good patriot (Father Gjergj Fishta) .

I am not a nationalist as you said, but a patriot. It's a huge gap between the two.

 

[Piro Ilir]

So you have no idea at all what Islam teaches or you are lying. Tertium non datur.



So how can you called yoursef a muslim, if you do not care what Islam is?



I care, because, from the fact, who Mohammed was, depend truthness or falsness of Islam.
If you don't care, who Mohammed was, so you are an atheists, not a muslim. Muslim must
belive and behave like Islam teaches, like Mohammed did. Otherwise you are a hypokite, or
you're false claiming that you are a muslim... So this is very important what was 1400 years
ago, because this is Islam - the teachings and models of muslim behavior.

If Mohammed was a true prophet - then you must obey him, and Islam is truth.
If he was not - you cannot obey him, and Islam is false since the beginnig to the end.

There is no other option. If you don't care who Mohammed is - was he true or not prophet,
then you are not a muslim. If you do not listen to Mohammed - you are not true muslim. You
cannot belive in Buddha or claiming him, that he was the true prophet of Islam, and still called
yourself a muslim... such behavior would be an insanity. So, you have only two options - or you
are lying to us about Islam like taqqiya teaches, or you are not muslim at all...




No.
Problem in Islam is Koran, and Sunna and Mohammed himself. All teachings of Islam are problems.
You cannot choose from this what you want and call it Islam, because you are not founder of Islam.

Again, you drawing Islam by your wish. If you listening the fairytales of some wahabi Arabs, that's your problem, not mine. They drawing the prophet by their wish. Frankly, I don't care about the Arabs and Iranians. I hope Iran and Saudi Arabia one day would be secular states. There is enough space in democracy for everyone, including Muslims.

 

[Piro Ilir]

And you called yourself a muslim...

Enough with wahabi fairytales. Of course Zeus was the God. Don't forget the cult of Zeus came from Crete during the Minoan civilization. The Minoan civilization took many stuff from middle east.

The other gods were indeed saints.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Mawlavi also should be Sunni.

Really. As far as I know there is only one Sufi order close to the Sunni.(nakshibandi) Although I might be wrong.

 

[Piro Ilir]

There are only really 2 types of people................people who believe in God and people who do not.
If we eliminate all the fabricated religions created by man we will have no religious wars........is this hard to understand!

If I had to give a sex to God , I would choose that God was female , only because all humans for the first 6 weeks once the sperm fertilzes the egg are ALL female. The Y chromosome ( if you have one ) kicks in after that and that's how you get a man.

On Zeus, why bring in an example of an Idol, same as cresent or cross or buddha etc etc????

First- God is not a man neither a woman. God is the creator of universe, that's all. All the rest is used for personal goals.
Second- If you look carefully, Zeus was the same God that we believe today. The same God of Abraham.

 

[Piro Ilir]

Le Brok, you want from me, such a thing as you, beliving in equal rights
in "marriage" for homosexuals, would be against this so called marriages.
Are you?

So don't call me fanatic, because I am talking according to my belives.
If I would declare one, and talking something else it would be nonsense.

By the way, christians ("bad" fanatics as you called us) still have some
selfpreserved instincts and enaugh brain. It cant be saying about yours
nihilistic tribe, because you are fighting people who allowed you to exist
& grow in number, but you invite people, who hate you, despise you and
want to kill you all. Like this bishopess from sweden... stupididy of largest
size as is possible... I never saw a imamess in Arabia who would change a
mousqe into church and insted of crescents want to install crosses...

This people are laughing from yours stupidity and they will beheded
you all when they will have an ocasion. Very soon... very soon...
You can talk about atheism and love aso - they dont care...

Do you know this guy named Anjem Choudary? This is the only one onest and
mostly truly speaking muslim whom I know. Lisen to him and hear. Listen what
he is talking about... and you will see a programme (true one) which they have.

If you still will not understand, this will means that you are truly blind and you
are living in some imaginary world... You will wake up some day, when you will
be beheaded, and your head will be routed on the street. Probably you'll have
then couple of seconds to consider your previous ideology... But I think, that
you rather will convert to Islam walking to the mosque regurally and praying...
Why? Because you belive in nothing, so you care only about your life... When
you and your tribe will destroyed christianity completly, then you will become
very devoted muslims. Everyone, who will be not beheaded yet...

And who the hell cares what this imam is saying.

 

[Piro Ilir]

It being hard for you to believe that there's a true religion doesn't make it impossible. The box that sacreligious put religion in is idiotic. It's not about blindly believing something with no evidence, it's not about being superstitious, it's not motivated by fulfilling an emotional gap, it's not full of crazy people, it doesn't cause people to hate and kill each other, it doesn't put the mind in jail and hurt scientific discovery.

These are all characteristics of religion that kids learn in school and are of the opinion of people like you. We're not all backwards cavemen who hate anyone who is differnt. I'm fed up with you displaying us like that all the time. I'm not going to let you put me in your box. At times those characteristics are true, but among Christians that is not accepted behavior.

Imagine if you believed you know the true religion. You'd get angry if someone dis agreed with you. That's normal human reaction if they know something very important.

The last thing I have to say is: I'm not the aggressor here, I'm reacting to you. I don't agree with everything Rethel says. But I felt obligated to confront you twisting his words and defend arguments I agreed with.

Yes, but Rethel seems to be an extremist. At least from his posts

 

[Piro Ilir]

And... was no need to wait to long for muslim peace loving action...
And as usual lefists jurnalist are silent about religion and motives of
this men, calling them simply terrorists from nowhere without identity..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...od-scene-not-far-Charlie-Hebdo-shootings.html

Paris under siege: Dozens killed and injured in series of coordinated terrorist attacks
after Kalashnikov-wielding gunman goes on the rampage in the capital, 100 hostages
are taken at concert hall and explosions are heard near national stadium

• 18 people said to have been killed in terror attacks in central Paris tonight
• Two attackers reportedly had suicide vests near Stade de France stadium
• Hostages taken from rock metal concert at Bataclan music hall, police said

We have three kind of people in this world.
1- the extremists
2- the conservatives
3- the liberals
It's pretty clear which is your place here and which is of the extremists attackers.

 

[navi32]

Like Muslim Tatars in Poland? Are yo afraid of Muslim Polish Tatars?

No i'm not, because they are assimiled and want to live like full-rights citizens of the country
[they are assimiladed in time, when goverment required work to live like normal citizens
and not give big socials]
oposite of today's waves of Muslims who want's to conquer Europe
I' m newcomer so i can't show you links, but they are threated Paris
and terrorist attack
They happy that people afraid al in name of Allah
In your opinion ,we should agree with that?
or wait until it overtakes us, or maybe we should get some moves
like disarms , write new laws like:
"anyone who sell weapon to Islamist shall be punished by imprisonment ruthless"
"anyone who has a weapon, or thretaen behavior should be immediately deported"

And above all:

''who illegally crosses the boundaries does not have full rights as a citizen''

What makes diffirence beetween normal imigrants, and this wave??
Numberings??

I dont see any reasons, as well as logical
than moral

 

[LeBrok]

No that's true at all. This is exactly what I mean. You give explanations as to why people believe in God to make them appear desperate and stupid.

I never said stupid, what about tricked by their nature/spirituality? It is easy in my case. I'm not a spiritual person and I don't believe in god(s).

Why do some people think it's okay to kill others? There's lots of opinions, because that is the case doesn't make yours untrue.

Sell deference, greed, military order, pleasure. It is all explainable. However the "right religion" conundrum can't be explained by One God universe. Unless the god is weird and cruel. If there are many gods then believing in different god makes sense. Like it used to be before Judaism.

It's up to people's chose. The faithful get the gift, it won't just be made obvious and given to everyone. As Jesus said after he rose from the dead: "blessed are those who believe without seeing" Humans rebel and deserve punishment, Jesus was give as a last chance. It's very easy to understand. Today we're care so much about human rights(which is mostly good) we think anytype of punishment is evil, and harshness in Christianity somehow legitimizes it.

What choice? How pagans before Moses could learn the right religion. God didn't tell anyone yet. Before Moses Jews were poliomyelitis, attested by archeology. Moses lost the first set of commandments busting the pagan statue Jews were praying to.
How pagan natives of America and Australia could learn about the true god before Europeans got there?

No one knows. I see it as he chose a random ethnic group or their predecessors, because he had a plan for them. This is why I don't take Genesis stories of creation seriously, those were stories that existed before God revealed himself. The Old Testament is writings of revelation from God to Jews, the human aspects are also in it though. If you think about the most advanced societies in the world at that time were in the Near East. The Roman empire though is key. That's how Christianity became widespread.

Have a look at evolution of God himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yzpaIrTFMc
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28689-Favorite-Historical-Movies?p=418113&viewfull=1#post418113

 

[LeBrok]

No i'm not, because they are assimiled and want to live like full-rights citizens of the country
[they are assimiladed in time, when goverment required work to live like normal citizens
and not give big socials]
oposite of today's waves of Muslims who want's to conquer Europe

Actually the Tatars were conquering the Europe. Syrian refugees want just a peaceful place to raise family. Exactly what you want.

I' m newcomer so i can't show you links, but they are threated Paris
and terrorist attack
They happy that people afraid al in name of Allah
In your opinion ,we should agree with that?
or wait until it overtakes us, or maybe we should get some moves
like disarms , write new laws like:

I'm not sure if you noticed but there are tens of millions of Muslims in Europe, but the terrorist attacks are done only by few radicalized people.

"anyone who sell weapon to Islamist shall be punished by imprisonment ruthless"
"anyone who has a weapon, or thretaen behavior should be immediately deported"

And above all:

''who illegally crosses the boundaries does not have full rights as a citizen''

What makes diffirence beetween normal imigrants, and this wave??
Numberings??

I dont see any reasons, as well as logical
than moral

EU was slow to react to refugee crises and to ISIL thread. Now there are consequences.

 

[bicicleur 2]

And who the hell cares what this imam is saying.

many Muslims do and it is because Mohammed himself was a warrior who told we are all kaffers
he uses the Quran as an inspiration to convince others to go and kill kaffers

if the Quran is your holy book, then you should care

 

[Sile]

I never said stupid, what about tricked by their nature/spirituality? It is easy in my case. I'm not a spiritual person and I don't believe in god(s).



Sell deference, greed, military order, pleasure. It is all explainable. However the "right religion" conundrum can't be explained by One God universe. Unless the god is weird and cruel. If there are many gods then believing in different god makes sense. Like it used to be before Judaism.


What choice? How pagans before Moses could learn the right religion. God didn't tell anyone yet. Before Moses Jews were poliomyelitis, attested by archeology. Moses lost the first set of commandments busting the pagan statue Jews were praying to.
How pagan natives of America and Australia could learn about the true god before Europeans got there?



Have a look at evolution of God himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yzpaIrTFMc
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28689-Favorite-Historical-Movies?p=418113&viewfull=1#post418113

There are no pagan idols, they where praying to God...........pagan is a concept of heavy handed religions being created that claims these people do not pray to the same God as they pray to. Its there way or no way.

The term pagan is a fabrication of the following groups, Christians, moslems and Jews.........they got together and claimed any religion not in this group is to be named as pagan.

These "mafia" religious creations have come and gone since the creation of man and will continue to be created to exploit the weakness of man to be in some "religious society" and not a tribal society .............or lately a nationalistic society.

Your Bias to people who are not part of this group is starting to show on this forum.