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Religion Born-again Americans in US politics

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I chose the article because I have found it more shocking than any wai wai stories from the Mainichi Shimbun or other tabloids so far. At least, the sources are serious and nobody is going to contest the content. I don't think I'd be wrong if I said that 99% of the Japanese people didn't care about religious, and at least 70% of Europeans were not very religious either, among which roughly 20% are atheist like me. Even old people like my grand parents who have been convinced Christian all their lives are staring to doubt (at least in the institutions and priests). I understand that under-educated people in developing countries know no alternative to the religious they have grown with. However, seeing the American president and his administration basing their foreign policy on religious conviction is just not in. Europeans or Japanese are more tolerant to other religions, which makes it more unlikely that religious fanatics throw planes on their cities. I think it's no need to look further for the cause of America's problems.

BBC News America's deep Christian faith

By Justin Webb
BBC correspondent in Washington



Our correspondent gives a personal view on the importance of faith and religious belief in American life.


My wife and I do not believe in God.

In our last posting, in Brussels among the nominally catholic Belgians, unbelief was not a problem.

The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night.


Power of prayer: George W Bush is famously the born-again president
Before that in London it was not remotely an issue. With the sole exception of one friend who is an evangelical Christian, I don't recall a single conversation with anyone about religious matters in the years I lived and worked in the capital.

Our house in London was right next to a church. We talked to the tiny congregation about the weather, about the need to prune the rose bushes and mend the fence. But we never talked about God.

How different it is on this side of the Atlantic. The early settlers came here in part to practise their faiths as they saw fit.

Since then the right to trumpet your religious affiliations - loud and clear - has been part of the warp and weft of American life.

And I am not talking about the Bible Belt - or about the loopy folk who live in log cabins in Idaho and Oregon and worry that the government is poisoning their water.

Mr and Mrs Average

I am talking about Mr and Mrs Average in Normaltown, USA.

Mr and Mrs Average share an uncomplicated faith with its roots in the puritanism of their forebears.

According to that faith there is such a thing as heaven - 86% of Americans, we are told by the pollsters, believe in heaven.

But much more striking to me, and much more pertinent to current world events, is the fact that 76% or three out of four people you meet on any American street believe in hell and the existence of Satan.

They believe that the devil is out to get you. That evil is a force in the world - a force to be engaged in battle.

Battling evil

Much of that battle takes place in the form of prayer.

Americans will talk of praying as if it were the most normal, rational thing to do.


It is not unusual to see people walking the White House corridors with a Bible in hand
The jolly plump woman who delivers our mail in the Washington suburbs has a son who is ill - the doctors are doing their best, she says, but she's praying hard and that's what'll do the trick.

During the last week a child who'd been missing for nine months has been found safe and well - the event was described routinely on the news media as a miracle.

One broadcast had a caption reading "the power of prayer".

In fact the child had been abducted and her abductor was recognised and captured.

Goodbye Jack Daniels, hello Jesus

In rational old Britain the media circus following the finding of the child would have been focused on ways of preventing this happening again - on police errors in the investigation.

Here, metaphorically, sometimes literally, they just sink to their knees.


And nobody spends more time on his knees - I am back in metaphorical mode here - than George W Bush.

He is famously born again - at the age of 40 it was goodbye Jack Daniels and hello Jesus. He has never looked back.

So while there are plenty of rational people giving rational advice about policy matters in the Bush White House there is also a channel, an input, from on high.

The Bush administration hums to the sound of prayer. Prayer meetings take place day and night.

It's not uncommon to see White House functionaries hurrying down corridors carrying bibles. A friend who works in the press office of 10 Downing Street tells me that - even in these difficult times - such a sight would be highly unusual.

Doubtless the president and his people have been praying earnestly that Saddam Hussein might fall under a bus.

But if no bus comes they feel justified in what they have decided to do.

Having made the decision to fight the good fight - and have no doubt about it President Bush has made that decision - the nagging doubts, the rational fears, the worldly misgivings - all those things felt so strongly by post-religious Europeans - can be set aside.

President Bush looks as tired as Prime Minister Blair sometimes, but never as worried.

Both are religious men but the simple American faith - with heaven and hell, good and evil and right and wrong - appears rather better suited to wartime conditions.
 
And for dessert : 'Talking fish' stuns New York

A fish heading for slaughter in a New York market shouted warnings about the end of the world before it was killed, two fish cutters have claimed.

"I screamed 'It's the devil The devil is here!', but Zalman said to me 'You crazy, you a meshugeneh [mad man]!" Mr Nivelo said.

"It is very rare that God reminds people he exists in this modern world. But when he does, you cannot ignore it."
 
Two days ago I watched a feature about an U.S. aircraft carrier cruising in the Persian Gulf. Of course, there are daily prayer services held on board. I was just shocked to see that these services were concluded with prayers for the president and for fortune of war. It is not that far-fetched to compare the coming aggression with a crusade. The concept of an "axis of evil" is part this scheme.

Also, fundamentalism is not restricted to Islam.

The Historical Roots of America's Christian Fundamentalism

=> http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/essays/fundie1.html

Fighting the Good Fight: Fundamentalism and Religious Revival


=> http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthropology/publications/FUNDMNTALISM.htm

=> http://www.terrorpsychology.com/roots.htm

=> http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/
 
A bit of a tangent, but the following link is to a lampoon of the White House. It has been around awhile now so some might have seen it. Does a good job of poking fun at religious fundamentalism and Bush in general.
Warning - Language can be a bit crude at times.

http://www.whitehouse.org/
 
Fanatism does not mean clear knowledge of the object of fanatism.

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"He volunteered for a beer run... he ended up running the world!" has to be my fav poster heheh. Great site Mandylion.

And that pic with Dubya and the Pope is HILARIOUS Maciamo! lol
 
Thank [your choice of deity or non] that not all of us are "born-again". Some of us believe in simple acceptance and that every religion has its good (and bad) points.
 
these two interviews show where the "agenda" of the co-called fundamentalist right are heading:
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtm...AINSFFI?displayValue=day&todayDate=10/28/2002

In the interview with Tim Lahaye, he specifically mentions the "agenda" and Gershom Gorenburg talks about the dangers of self-fulfilling prophecies due to religious convictions, of which the current administration appears to be heading towards....religious zealotry and fanaticism will always cause more death and destruction (intended or otherwise) than any other political force in existence...because it tends to span generations and not just one administration....
 
After the new year had arrived and I check this site and see this title again: "Born-again Americans," it led me to think what Buddhists will teach their children in the future, being on the demented bent that I am....

and those Buddhist folks would probably say: "Be nice and good in this lifetime, or you'll be reincarnated, ie Born-again, as an American, and you'll have more challenges to gain a decent education, more challenges to retain your freedom, and more challenges to avoid being drowned in consumer marketing and media brainwashing than in any other nation in the world...aside from, perhaps, N. Korea..." :D

ok....time to get serious once again :o
 
It's always easy to ridicule something we don't understand.

I don't understand how ppl can say they are followers of Christ
and the next moment they order bombs for breakfast on Bagdad.

I think Christ would have done something different.
But I'm just a ShiNation Monk so-what do I know.;)

*Btw that buddhist insight on 'Born again' is just so hilarious.LOL

Too bad ppl don't understand what Jeshua meant.
 
Taking the "fun" out of fundamentalism... but emphasizing the "mental".
 
Sorry about the double post. I just took the "Bible Logic" quiz and got a score of 7. I just answered "hell" to all the questions since most fundiots tell me I'm going to hell anyway no matter what I do.
 
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