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Ancient genomes from a Roca Vecchia, Apulia, shed light on Minoan modes of colonisation

Big thank you @Salento for making this possible, I have converted it to Eigenstrat, and merged it with AADR, here's a model in qpAdm. This is pretty amazing, we were able to provide this before the paper was even published!

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Southern Italians in the Middle Bronze Age can be modeled with Neolithic Italian Ancestry + excess non-steppe Iranian related ancestry.

This is similar to the dynamic seen in Minoans, but instead of Greece_N + Iran_N, the Roca_Vecchia_MBA can be modeled Italy_N + Iran_N

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Jovialis said:
Big thank you @Salento for making this possible, I have converted it to Eigenstrat, and merged it with AADR, here's a model in qpAdm. This is pretty amazing, we were able to provide this before the paper was even published!

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Thanks Jovialis, …. and Happy Columbus Day :)
 
Jovialis said:
Southern Italians in the Middle Bronze Age can be modeled with Neolithic Italian Ancestry + excess non-steppe Iranian related ancestry.

This is similar to the dynamic seen in Minoans, but instead of Greece_N + Iran_N, the Roca_Vecchia_MBA can be modeled Italy_N + Iran_N

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Indo-European Italic and Hellenic peoples.
 
Modeling Apulia_MBA as well as modeling myself with Apulia_MBA:

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It is pretty wild they have the same exact p-value too.
 
Ganj Dareh is near to Masbi Rural District in Abdanan County in Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masbi_Rural_District Herodotus has mentioned Maspians as one of major Indo-European peoples in the west of Iran, their name is similar to Messapians in Apulia.

Etymology of Messapii: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Μεσσάπιος#Ancient_Greek "According to Pokorny, the Messapic name means "amid waters," from Proto-Indo-European *médʰyos + *h₂ep-, the latter of which gave their region Apulia." Abdanan in Persian means the same.

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Moja said:
Ganj Dareh is near to Masbi Rural District in Abdanan County in Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masbi_Rural_District Herodotus has mentioned Maspians as one of major Indo-European peoples in the west of Iran, their name is similar to Messapians in Apulia.

Etymology of Messapii: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Μεσσάπιος#Ancient_Greek "According to Pokorny, the Messapic name means "amid waters," from Proto-Indo-European *médʰyos + *h₂ep-, the latter of which gave their region Apulia." Abdanan in Persian means the same.

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The excess-Iran_N was indirectly brought by intermediaries from Anatolia and South Eastern Europe in the later stage of the Neolithic onwards. The established archeological and genetic evidence are aligned in confirming that.
 
Jovialis said:
The excess-Iran_N was indirectly brought by intermediaries from Anatolia and South Eastern Europe in the later stage of the Neolithic onwards. The established archeological and genetic evidence are aligned in confirming that.
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These are just some similar Indo-European names. It is clear that there was no direct migration from Ganj Dareh to Italy but there could be cultural similarities between these two IE regions.
 
Jovialis said:
Modeling Apulia_MBA as well as modeling myself with Apulia_MBA:

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I'm guessing this sample is abnormal for Apulia/S. Italy as far as how much Caucasian input it has for the MBA, but it serves as evidence to show that there was contact and genetic exchange with the Greek world in Southern Italy during this period. Is it perhaps plausible that this person was directly from Greece? It seems the study abstract believes otherwise, but 19.3% for an Iran_N like pull of ancestry (probably caucasian in reality) is significant.
 
Vitruvius said:
I'm guessing this sample is abnormal for Apulia/S. Italy as far as how much Caucasian input it has for the MBA, but it serves as evidence to show that there was contact and genetic exchange with the Greek world in Southern Italy during this period. Is it perhaps plausible that this person was directly from Greece? It seems the study abstract believes otherwise, but 19.3% for an Iran_N like pull of ancestry (probably caucasian in reality) is significant.
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Vitruvius said:
I'm guessing this sample is abnormal for Apulia/S. Italy as far as how much Caucasian input it has for the MBA, but it serves as evidence to show that there was contact and genetic exchange with the Greek world in Southern Italy during this period. Is it perhaps plausible that this person was directly from Greece? It seems the study abstract believes otherwise, but 19.3% for an Iran_N like pull of ancestry (probably caucasian in reality) is significant.
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The actual amount of genetic turnover in southern Italy is definitely much higher than 19,3% because there was no "pure" Iran_N anywhere in the MBA.
 
It is clear that when it is said that Italy_MBA = Italy_N + Iran_N and Greece_MBA = Greece_N + Iran_N, Iran_N didn't come to Italy from Greece.
 
Moja said:
It is clear that when it is said that Italy_MBA = Italy_N + Iran_N and Greece_MBA = Greece_N + Iran_N, Iran_N didn't come to Italy from Greece.
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Why? BTW it is not "Italy_MBA", it is Roca_Vecchia_MBA.
 
Anfänger said:
The actual amount of genetic turnover in southern Italy is definitely much higher than 19,3% because there was no "pure" Iran_N anywhere in the MBA.
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I agree that there was definitely no pure Iran_N arrival in Italy, and that a large amount of EEF dna in this sample is unlikely to have a specifically Italian Neolithic origin, but I question as to how common this sample profile was even in S. Italy by the MBA. That's not to say there aren't more like this, nor to reject the idea of bronze age genetic exchange with the Greek world - I've been suggesting longstanding genetic continuity in S. Italy with the Aegean for at least 6 years now.

I only question if this sample and its high caucasian-like pull of ancestry was typical for Italic speakers in Apulia in the MBA. Contrary to the abstract's conclusion it seems more typical for something straight out of Greece for this time period to me, but maybe I'm mistaken and this profile really was actually standard in the Apulian MBA. I suppose time and more sampling will tell.
 
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Roca Vecchia MBA plots in the range of Greece Neolithic samples.

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