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Indeed there are also a number of Gaulish changes not present in Brythonic though (likewise not present in goidelic). Now I'm pilfering the list from wiki so I don't know how well it will stack up in a court of law :grin: Voiced labiovelar gw became w, e. g. gwediūmi > uediiumi "I pray" (cf...

Well the question should be more framed along the lines of did the consonant shift spread along with La Tène material culture among the pre-existing population who were speaking a "dialect" closer to "Proto-Celtic" at the time. You don't necessarily need a "conquest"/population change given that...

M222 appears to be older in Northern England and Southern Scotland then in Ireland. Interesting enough this ties in with the pseudo-history/mythology when it comes to ancestry of the broader Connachta. Tuathal Teachtmar having fled in his mother's womb back to Alba (Scotland -- but in this...

Not only that but specific clades of L21 are also very large in an Irish context. Obviously everyone knows M222 (Uí Néill/Connachta) but there also L226 (Dál gCais) and the really big new clade is DF21, so far potentially 20% of all L21 belongs to DF21 which was recently added to the draft tree...

I should point out I'm negative for nearly all SNP's under L21. I still have couple more to order. Current status: P312+, L21+ L459+, M37-, M222-, P66-, L9-, L10-, L96-, L130,- L144-, L159.2-, L192-, L193-, L195-, L226-, P314.2-, L69-, L302-, L319.1-, L371-, L513-, L526-, L554-, L555- L564-...

Great map, lot better then what it's in the recent report. With regards to vikings here's also the fact that the Vikings in Ireland assimilated quite readily and formed groups such as the "Gall-Ghael" (Gall Gaedhel), which were basically gaelicised Vikings. For example the L21 subclade L159.2...

Well Irish and Welsh are closer to each other then either are to Gaulish. Gaulish includes sound changes that aren't present in either. There is also the fact that Welsh and Irish contain features not found in Gaulish specifically on word order, initial mutations etc At an ancient level all...

Well the slightly higher rate in South Italy could be due to fact that the sample population is bigger then sample from North and Central Italy combined. I think to get honest figures you really need large sample populations otherwise you get the situation that can be seen with Austria (N=18)...

The peopling of Europe and the cautionary tale of Y chromosome lineage R-M269 -- Data Supplement http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/08/18/rspb.2011.1044/suppl/DC1

It's a real pity they didn't try testing for additional P312 clades. Obviously they probably didn't know about Z196 but if they had tested for M153 and L176 it would have given a fascinating insight into the very high percentages P312* in Iberia and France.

Forgot Portugal. Central Portugal -- n = 121 U152 = 9.1% U106 = 0.8% L21 = 5.8% P312 (ex L21/U152) = 38% North Portugal -- n = 148 U152 = 3.4% U106 = 7.4% L21 = 4.7% P312 (ex L21/U152) = 34.5% Lisbon -- n = 100 U152 = 3% U106 = 7% L21 = 3% P312 (ex L21/U152) = 44% South Portugal -- n =...

Just to add Spain into the mix, I see from reading over the post there were some comments regarding L21 vs. U152 in spain, here are details from the R-M269 study recently published Andalusia, Sevilla -- n = 127 U152 = 0.8% U106 = 0.8% L21 = 0.8% P312 (ex L21/U152) = 52% Cantabria, Santander...

Here's the map from that study for U152 -- could only post it now that I've gone over 10 posts.

I had only posted some of figures from France above, here are some more. I've tended to ignore any with small N count (<30) Alpes De Haute Provence -- n = 31 U152 = 12.9% U106 = 12.9% L21 = 19.4% P312 (ex L21/U152) = 29% North Central France -- n = 91 U152 = 14.3% U106 = 7.7% L21 = 9.9%...

Indeed personally I think the best sample size up there was "South Italy" at 252. As you can see L21 is fairly consistent at about 1% across Italy (North/Central/South) Here are the figures for countries around Austria (Hungary, Slovenia, Czech, Slovakia, Croatia) Hungary -- n = 113 U152 =...

Well the geographic cordinates they give are: 8.233 (E)  46.900 (N) When I feed that into Google Earth it comes up beside Lake Sarnen in Obwalden, going on what I see on the map that's south of Luzern. 

The supplementary data that was attached to recent report on R-M269 had the following U152 figures for Switzerland: Switzerland Southcentral -- n = 32 U152 = 34.4% U106 = 15.6% L21 = --/-- P312 (ex L21/U152) = 9.4% Switzerland (Lower Rhone Valley) -- n = 51 U152 = 15.7% U106 = 11.8% L21 =...

Which countries in particular? If you do eventually get around to creating a map for L21 it will be interesting to see one that looks at all of P312 eg. combined L21/U152/P312* distrubition. Especially with recent discovery of new clades under P312 -- L238 among Nordic P312 and Z196 been above...

Well no doubt part of the issue is that L21 was only discovered in 2008! It's actually fairly amazing when you look at the "tree" from 2007 and compare it to the current draft tree. There are at least three new clades under P312 (L238, DF19, Z196 -- above iberian M153 + L176 )

It's a pity they don't test for L21 given the large percentage that are just P312* it wouldn't be surprising if a good chunk of these were L21+, awh well.