J-L283 in Ağın - Turkey

[Eastern Turkish J-L283]

Greetings everyone, my first post here.

I am Turkish and I did a dna test last summer. My Y-DNA haplogroup turned out to be J-L283.

I researched this and It turns out its a Yamnaya Indo-European Y-DNA.

Are people who settled here Albanians? Because the family here has no history of Balkans. They have been locals here for centuries. I thought we were Turkmens but the chromosome isn't a Turkmen one.
The family generally has white skin different than neighboring cities like Elazığ.

These is an Armenian in a nearby city that has the same Y-DNA. does that mean I descend from Armenians in my fathers line?

Best Regards.

 

[Pax Augusta]

There are several possible explanations for the presence of J-L283 in Turkey. This haplogroup has been circulating in Europe since at least the Bronze Age and is found at low frequencies across many regions. Recent ancient DNA studies have identified J-L283 in various European contexts. A few days ago, a study was published reporting J-L283 in a Gothic sample, a population that spoke a Germanic language. If I remember correctly, it has also been identified in a Viking-age sample, just to give a couple of examples of ancient groups where one would not normally expect to find it.

Historically, Turkey ruled much of the Balkans during the Ottoman period, and there was significant migration from the Balkans to Anatolia. Many Albanians settled in Turkey, and according to Wikipedia, people of Albanian origin there may number over 5–6 million. Given that J-L283 is common among Albanians, this could help explain its presence in Turkey today.

To better understand your specific case, you should test your deepest clade.

 

[norbert]

Obviously you'd first suspect that it came with Albanian migrants but it would be almost impossible that your family was not aware of its Albanian roots, especially since those migrations happened about a century ago, give or take a few decades. If your family has lived in the same area "for centuries", an Albanian origin becomes less likely. However, there is the case of the Arvanites, people of Albanian descent who settled in Greece during the Middle Ages.

 

[Polska]

Greetings everyone, my first post here.

I am Turkish and I did a dna test last summer. My Y-DNA haplogroup turned out to be J-L283.

I researched this and It turns out its a Yamnaya Indo-European Y-DNA.

Are people who settled here Albanians? Because the family here has no history of Balkans. They have been locals here for centuries. I thought we were Turkmens but the chromosome isn't a Turkmen one.
The family generally has white skin different than neighboring cities like Elazığ.

These is an Armenian in a nearby city that has the same Y-DNA. does that mean I descend from Armenians in my fathers line?

Best Regards.

As Pax Augusta mentioned, you’re going to need to do a WGS test through either FTDNA or YSEQ in order to determine your specific branch. We have several Armenians from your area of Turkey who are more “basal” J2b L283s and negative for known downstream branches. I suspect you’re on the same branch. Ancient J2b L283 samples south of the Caucasus are rare, but there is a Lchashen Metsamor sample from eastern Armenia called RISE408 (1200 BCE)…this group was associated with early Armenians. So it’s possible you belong to a rare lineage that moved with R1b Z2103 through the Caucasus and gradually moved west over time. Or, it’s also possible that you could descend from a separate, earlier migration through the Caucasus from the steppe just north of the Caucasus around 4000 BCE. There is a J2b L283 ancient sample called ZO1002 from Zolotarevka, Russia dated to about 3900 BCE. This is in the state of Stavropol Krai, Russia.

Here’s a map with all living “basal” J2b L283 samples in eastern Turkey/Armenian highlands (green flags). There is also another similar sample from an individual in eastern Georgia…I believe he may be of Armenian ancestry.

 

[Eastern Turkish J-L283]

There are several possible explanations for the presence of J-L283 in Turkey. This haplogroup has been circulating in Europe since at least the Bronze Age and is found at low frequencies across many regions. Recent ancient DNA studies have identified J-L283 in various European contexts. A few days ago, a study was published reporting J-L283 in a Gothic sample, a population that spoke a Germanic language. If I remember correctly, it has also been identified in a Viking-age sample, just to give a couple of examples of ancient groups where one would not normally expect to find it.

Historically, Turkey ruled much of the Balkans during the Ottoman period, and there was significant migration from the Balkans to Anatolia. Many Albanians settled in Turkey, and according to Wikipedia, people of Albanian origin there may number over 5–6 million. Given that J-L283 is common among Albanians, this could help explain its presence in Turkey today.

To better understand your specific case, you should test your deepest clade.

Thanks! It's cool I share with a lot of people in Europe. I am like cousins with them

It's definitely not Albanians. My family is from Ağın. Our family never set foot in Europe before the modern age. The ciscled place is actually my place, I also shared this result on Facebook.

 

[Polska]

Thanks! It's cool I share with a lot of people in Europe. I am like cousins with them

It's definitely not Albanians. My family is from Ağın. Our family never set foot in Europe before the modern age. The ciscled place is actually my place, I also shared this result on Facebook.

All lines under J2b L283 thus far ultimately come from Eneolithic Russia, specifically southwestern Russia. As others have stated, you could even descend from a west Balkan line that emigrated to Turkey quite late. The only way to know, ultimately, is to do a WGS test in order to determine your specific branch. Then you can confidently begin to piece things together from there.

I’m a classic example. All of my autosomal ancestry is either Slavic (Polish), German, English, or Swedish. No Balkan autosomal ancestry whatsoever. Yet I know my branch of J2b L283 ultimately comes from Croatia or the immediate surrounding area. So I have deep roots there in the Balkans, despite not carrying any of the autosomal dna from that area of Europe.

 

[Polska]

This new branch linked below under J2b L283 (FT201017) just popped up this week at FTDNA. It branched off of J2b L283 around 3900 BCE, or 5900 years ago. The only modern testers on the branch at this time are from Armenia and Turkey. I would estimate that this split happened somewhere in the vicinity of Kalmykia, Stavropol Krai, or Rostov in southwestern Russia before moving south through the Caucasus to Armenia and Turkey. Whether this movement occurred shortly after branch separation or later on with Proto Armenian groups is unknown at this time.

I would strongly advise the author of this thread to look into doing a Big Y test through FTDNA to see of he belongs to this newly formed branch.

The discovery of this new branch is a significant development in haplogroup J2b L283 research.

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[Eastern Turkish J-L283]

This new branch linked below under J2b L283 (FT201017) just popped up this week at FTDNA. It branched off of J2b L283 around 3900 BCE, or 5900 years ago. The only modern testers on the branch at this time are from Armenia and Turkey. I would estimate that this split happened somewhere in the vicinity of Kalmykia, Stavropol Krai, or Rostov in southwestern Russia before moving south through the Caucasus to Armenia and Turkey. Whether this movement occurred shortly after branch separation or later on with Proto Armenian groups is unknown at this time.

I would strongly advise the author of this thread to look into doing a Big Y test through FTDNA to see of he belongs to this newly formed branch.

The discovery of this new branch is a significant development in haplogroup J2b L283 research.

Welcome to FamilyTreeDNA Discover

Discover more about your paternal ancestry and join in on the research!

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