"However, we demonstrated that the influence of BA populations with a high proportion of Neolithic Iranian ancestry from the Middle East regions can be traced among the late Scythians (Scy_Crimea) but is absent in the earlier group Scy_South (Fig. 4E), highlighting the temporal aspect of the genetic heterogeneity of the Scythians."
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Genetic history of Scythia
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"However, we demonstrated that the influence of BA populations with a high proportion of Neolithic Iranian ancestry from the Middle East regions can be traced among the late Scythians (Scy_Crimea) but is absent in the earlier group Scy_South (Fig. 4E), highlighting the temporal aspect of the genetic heterogeneity of the Scythians."
The late Scythians were actually the Gutians/Goths.
We read about the late Scythians who seem to be the Goths in the Greco-Roman sources several times but one of them which is about the campaign of Mithridates II of Parthia (r. 124 – 91 BC) in the Caucasus is more important than other ones, Justin (42.1‑6):
"He (Mithridates) engaged in numerous wars with his neighbours with great zeal and added many provinces to the Parthian empire. He also fought several successful campaigns against the Scythians, avenging the injury inflicted on his ancestors. At last he made war on Artoadistes (Artavasdes), king of Armenia."
The important thing is that in the one of the last known Babylonian chronicles, we also read about this campaign which happened in 119/120 BC:
"Many troops assembled and went to fight against the son of the king and his troops of the remote cities of the Gutian country who killed my brother Artaban, and I set up troops opposite them, and fought with them; a great killing I performed among them; except two men [....] [....] were not killed; and the crown prince and his troops fled from the fight and withdrew to the difficult mountains."
Both Roman and Babylonian sources actually talk about a revenge campaign but in the Roman source it was against the Scythians and in the Babylonian source it was against the Gutians, it seems to be clear that they were the same people who lived near Armenia in the Caucasus mountain area. Almost in the same period Mithridates VI of Pontus (r. 120–63 BC) was also fighting against these Scythians (Gutians) in almost the same region, he could conquer some parts of their lands, probably for this reason Gutians/Goths had to migrate to the further north or west. The Scythian (Gutian) king who was defeated by Mithridates VI was Skilurus, his name is very similar to Skjöldr, the first legendary Danish king, who came from Scythia and conquered North of Europe.
We read about the late Scythians who seem to be the Goths in the Greco-Roman sources several times but one of them which is about the campaign of Mithridates II of Parthia (r. 124 – 91 BC) in the Caucasus is more important than other ones, Justin (42.1‑6):
"He (Mithridates) engaged in numerous wars with his neighbours with great zeal and added many provinces to the Parthian empire. He also fought several successful campaigns against the Scythians, avenging the injury inflicted on his ancestors. At last he made war on Artoadistes (Artavasdes), king of Armenia."
The important thing is that in the one of the last known Babylonian chronicles, we also read about this campaign which happened in 119/120 BC:
"Many troops assembled and went to fight against the son of the king and his troops of the remote cities of the Gutian country who killed my brother Artaban, and I set up troops opposite them, and fought with them; a great killing I performed among them; except two men [....] [....] were not killed; and the crown prince and his troops fled from the fight and withdrew to the difficult mountains."
Both Roman and Babylonian sources actually talk about a revenge campaign but in the Roman source it was against the Scythians and in the Babylonian source it was against the Gutians, it seems to be clear that they were the same people who lived near Armenia in the Caucasus mountain area. Almost in the same period Mithridates VI of Pontus (r. 120–63 BC) was also fighting against these Scythians (Gutians) in almost the same region, he could conquer some parts of their lands, probably for this reason Gutians/Goths had to migrate to the further north or west. The Scythian (Gutian) king who was defeated by Mithridates VI was Skilurus, his name is very similar to Skjöldr, the first legendary Danish king, who came from Scythia and conquered North of Europe.
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Upon first glance, their qpAdms seem to confirm that earlier Scythian paper (Gnecchi-Ruscone et al 2021): as early Scythians (high in Siberian/EA ancestry) moved westward, BMAC-like ancestry increased (likely CHG/Iran from the Caucasus) and Siberian/EA ancestry decreased.
I wish papers stopped attempting to minmax specific models/clusters with a bunch of different sources for each one and instead started running rotating models, even with slightly more distal sources (IBD helps with locating more proximal sources anyway). There's no excuse for not doing this either since several big papers have already done it.
I wish papers stopped attempting to minmax specific models/clusters with a bunch of different sources for each one and instead started running rotating models, even with slightly more distal sources (IBD helps with locating more proximal sources anyway). There's no excuse for not doing this either since several big papers have already done it.
It is a fact that a high proportion of Neolithic Iranian ancestry from the Middle East was present in Scythia during the appearance of the Goths in this region.
All historical, geographical, and genomic evidences show that the Goths lived in the South Caucasus and western Iran before the Parthian era. The Gothic historian Jordanes mentions a Gothic king named Tanausis who lived in this region and was a close friend of a Median king named Sornus (a pure Iranian name, compare Surena).
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Archaeological evidences:
https://www.academia.edu/39589650 : Protohistory of the vara. Exploring the Proto-Indo-Iranian Background of an Early Mytheme of the Iranian Plateau, By Massimo Vidale
https://www.academia.edu/39589650 : Protohistory of the vara. Exploring the Proto-Indo-Iranian Background of an Early Mytheme of the Iranian Plateau, By Massimo Vidale
