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low cM, though a Top 2 Match … (beat that) :grin:

Probably they’re picking up one of the Messapi ancestry makeup:

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… Wrong Date / Wrong Era … SZ1 is the sample with the biggest Largest cM :) Otzi is my second:

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i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

[h=6]Oetzi[/h]Oetzi (3300 BC)

[h=6]mtDNA Haplogroup: K1[/h][h=6]Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)[/h]
Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample




wCG2DdXdkL3DwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==
 
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



8. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.607 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users
 
@salento

can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users


78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users
 
… R437 Latin Praeneste cM is much higher than R850 Latin Ardea cM,

… though total Latin R850 (y T) he’s my Favorite :grin:

… and if there's one there's definitely tons of them !

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torzio said:
@salento

can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users


78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users
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I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova
 
Salento said:
I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.

MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova
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thanks

13313B is

1 Italian-North 3.09
2 Italian_North 5.35
3 Kosovar 6

I do not remember which of the Italian North represents NW italy and other NE italy
 
torzio said:
i have oetzi now with my ftdna data

Oetzi

Oetzi (3300 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)


Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
wCG2DdXdkL3DwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==
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… nice, Otzi is cool, … literally :)
 
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

or


I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torzio_scaled
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(79.54584934818183, 100%, 50%)"]0.03371179[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(69.81472400474418, 100%, 50%)"]0.04182106[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: hsl(58.58368488943675, 100%, 50%)"]0.05118026[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Distance to:Torzio_scaled
77.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 22.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
86.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 14.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332
94.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331 + 5.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332

[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246
[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ILLYRIC[/TD]




[TABLE="class: distances"]

[TD="bgcolor: hsl(80.573184, 100%, 50%)"]0.03285568[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: hsl(80.263416, 100%, 50%)"]0.03311382[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: hsl(69.85638, 100%, 50%)"]0.04178635[/TD]
[/TABLE]


13313B must be one of the bottom 2
 
torzio said:
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA

or


I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torzio_scaled[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0.03371179[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0.04182106[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0.05118026[/TD]
[TD]ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2"]Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246[/TH]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn"]100.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ILLYRIC[/TD]


13313B must be one of the bottom 2
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I3313 14332 and MJ12:

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or is it the Dalmatian/Ligurian 5700BCE from Cres ( a Croatian island )

I5072
mtDNA: H7c
Y-DNA: G2a2a1
 
Official R Outliers
(… with GedM… #)

R6 # RL3009228 - Neolithic - Grotta Continenza
R475 # EK9024010 - Iron Age - Civitavecchia
R37 # QF4613000 - Imperial - Isola Sacra
R116 # GS7563370 - Imperial - Via Paisiello
R80 # CU3759345 - Imperial - Viale Rossini
R132 # JT4987798 - Imperial - Marcellino & Pietro
R31 # GH3133915 - Late Antiquity - Mausoleo di Augusto
R104 # CE7473504 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R106 # RJ2728415 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R64 # QT6475496 - Medieval and early modern - Villa Magna
R1286 # GB5258297 - Medieval and early modern - Cancelleria


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https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf
 
torzio said:
here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?

I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE


http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

I4332
mtDNA: W3a1
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Veliki Vanik (2 individuals) Veliki Vanik burial mound is located near the town ofVrgoracin Split-Dalmatia County in southern Croatia. The mound is made of rock and soil deposit with a circular base of 20 m in diameter and a relative height of 3.5 m.
It was partly destroyed during the Early Modern Period when the stone dry wall was erected and some of the rock material was harvested from the site. Three Bronze Age graves -one in the shape of a stone coffin and two inhumations in plain soil -containing the remains of five individuals were explored during the rescue excavations.
Radiocarbon dates and preserved artifacts (hair ornament made of coiled copper wire and fragments of pottery) datethese burialsto the Early/MiddleBronze Age.28
•I4331/ VV1Poorly preserved subadult (5-7 years).
•I4332/ VV3Well-preserved adult female (40to 50 years). This individual exhibits an antemortem oval-shaped fracture on the frontal bone.
 
My cousin from BA Italy :smile:

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57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003 [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
Top
99 %​
match vs all users [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 
Salento said:
@Torzio

I found and processed the I4331 Bam

... it might be different than the MTA file,

I4331 RawData download:

I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file

I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file

I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file


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thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?

what is i3313B then if not one of these?
 
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