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Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

Salento said:
There should be a few T1a2 (SK1480) in Lucania (Basilicata), ... some relatives fled there after WW2 (wrong side of history) until the Amnesty, ... the usual :)
one of them met his wife and had a family, he didn’t go back to Puglia, ...
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thanks

I got a message that the person came from Foggia or Molise

the surname comes from these 2 area

Biccari, Foggia, Italy
Alberona, Foggia, Italy

I was also given this as his parents

Vincenzo Onorato, Rachele Verdorato

Usually ato surname endings are Veneti....same as endings with lin, otto, acco and gher to name a few ...................not to say that Vincenzo was Veneto , because he seems complete foggian
 
torzio said:
thanks

I got a message that the person came from Foggia or Molise

the surname comes from these 2 area

Biccari, Foggia, Italy
Alberona, Foggia, Italy

I was also given this as his parents

Vincenzo Onorato, Rachele Verdorato

Usually ato surname endings are Veneti....same as endings with lin, otto, acco and gher to name a few ...................not to say that Vincenzo was Veneto , because he seems complete foggian
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had to recheck ...I was slightly wrong

AWgdbNNBzsXNAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC



my cousin, my wife on the border of veneti and friuli have endings of

t, and olo


then there is also lin endings
Guidolin
Santolin
Michielin .....................all after christian names , Michiel being Michele in venetian
 
new yfull matches



they have me confirm SK1480 , but Yfull do not use it
Known SNPs at this position:
A toG YB

[TD="class: knv-p"]SK1480[/TD]

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I lost my notes on samples NA20758 ........it says TSI ( toscani ) but I think it is Apulia.....one of these below

TB9PE Benedetto Bari, Italy
13 22 13 10 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 8 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 11 15 16 10 12 23 24 16 13 18 17 34 34 13 9


YSU4S Da Lessio Salerno, Italy
13 22 13 10 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 12 27 15 19 35 11 11 15 16 10 11 23 25 16 13 19 16 34 34 14 9 12 11 15 11 8 17 17 8 11 10 8 12 11 20 20 17 10 12 12 15 8 26 21 11 12 14 10 11 12 11
 
probably: ... D’Alesssio ... :)

Il mio ... :
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... Stratford ... go by I-95 or nicer Merritt Parkway to get to New York :grin:
 
Salento said:
... Stratford ... go by I-95 or nicer Merritt Parkway to get to New York :grin:
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this one is the latest with the new updated snp

compare the last two

post 886 to post 883
 
A new yfull match for myself


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[TD="class: snp-td m_out2"]James Carson b. 1765 [/TD]
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[TD="class: snp-td m_out"]England[/TD]
[TD="class: snp-td"]
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YF13207[/TD]
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T-BY45377[/TD]
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hmm, Carson ......from the Good, the Bad and the Ugly film........did he hide the gold
 
torzio said:
Yfull has just given me a new branch under Z19945
with a Pole and an ancient trentino/South Tyrol sample
Because there are 3 different non family samples it has been accepted so it is
T - BY143483


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@torzio, how do you know the ERS sample grouped with you and the Pole (Bartosiak) is from Trentino/South Tyrol? It only lists Cagliari, Sardinia as its origin
 
Huracan said:
@torzio, how do you know the ERS sample grouped with you and the Pole (Bartosiak) is from Trentino/South Tyrol? It only lists Cagliari, Sardinia as its origin
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I state that ERS is a sardinian who matches another sample in Trentino surname erspamer
https://www.italianames.com/italian-last-names-maps/ERSPAMER



The Pole is not from trentino.......we chat regularly on messenger, he states he is currently living in old prusi lands -.......old prussians near the baltic sea , east of Gdansk
He states his ancestors are thuringians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

he is an engineer on a merchant boat , trading between Poland and Britain
 
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183663
[/TD]
[TD="class: LeftAlign"] Erspamer
[/TD]
[TD="class: LeftAlign"] Giovanni ERSPAMER, b. 1704 (Malosco, Italy)
[/TD]
[TD="class: LeftAlign"] Italy
[/TD]
[TD="class: LeftAlign"] T-M70
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this site is so crap in updating ones messages
 
Huracan said:
Thanks that is interesting.

So is the Erspamer individual (#183663) positive for your same SNP SK1480? or BY143483?
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not sure .....more analysis needs to be done

he is a T1a2 -L446


check also the old swiss Ulrich , also T1a2

 
I used SAPP (https://www.jdvsite.com) to create a Y-STR tree of CTS11984/CTS54 to get an idea about origin and dispersal. I specified in my input the currently known positive and negative SNPs for each sample and the program did the rest. It is in high agreement with YFull dates and organization. The red annotations are predictions based on timing and the patterns I see. It suggests CTS11984 originated in Central Europe ≥3,000 ybp, suggesting a connection to the Bronze Age expansion of Indo-Europeans such as the Celts, Italics, Illyrians, etc.

CTS54 tree p1.jpg CTS54 root with CTS8489 and CTS8862

CTS54 tree p2.jpgFirst CTS54* branch: the UK individuals (Powell, etc.)

CTS54 tree p3.jpgCTS8862* and Y17493 branch (Knox, etc.)

CTS54 tree p4.jpg CTS1848 branch (those cut off are Pereira [Azores] on the left and two Bernot individuals at the bottom)
 
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Sorry about the poor image quality. Trying to see how to share a higher resolution one.
 
Huracan said:
I used SAPP (https://www.jdvsite.com) to create a Y-STR tree of CTS11984/CTS54 to get an idea about origin and dispersal. I specified in my input the currently known positive and negative SNPs for each sample and the program did the rest. It is in high agreement with YFull dates and organization. The red annotations are predictions based on timing and the patterns I see. It suggests CTS11984 originated in Central Europe ≥3,000 ybp, suggesting a connection to the Bronze Age expansion of Indo-Europeans such as the Celts, Italics, Illyrians, etc.

View attachment 12509
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attachment does not work for me.....it says, ask administrator
 
CTS54 tree p5.jpg
Last part: the rest of Z19945 (not including CTS1848) showing BY143483, the Ashkenazi group (PAGES00113) and the Brooks/Curtiss group
 
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