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Questions on my Y-DNA Haplogroup T

torzio said:
I have zero R850 sample appearing in my first 100 and also does not appear in my outlier samples
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Ok, thanks for the clarification. It is the Y DNA that you and Salento share with R850 only and not the Deep Dive match for you that Salento has.
 
Palermo Trapani said:
Ok, I get DNA deep dive with R850 as well even though I don't have T1a. Sorry about my own confusion. It terms of distance, I have always been closest to R437 as well. R850 shows up for me in Deep Dive in MyTrueancestry but R437 is always closer for me. Dodecad 12B Ancient. Ok, you get Deep Dive with both R437 and R850, 2 Iron Age Romans. :good_job: While I am close to R437 on all calculators, I don't get the Deep Dive match.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8EFF00, align: right"]4.18976133[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3C00, align: right"]13.23641568[/TD]
[TD]R850_Iron_Age_Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0035, align: right"]16.54641653[/TD]
[TD]R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0052, align: right"]17.40331865[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C2, align: right"]20.72008205[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E800FF, align: right"]23.17349132[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E700FF, align: right"]23.21816315[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D300FF, align: right"]23.78614092[/TD]
[TD]R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9C00FF, align: right"]25.41911682[/TD]
[TD]R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #5300FF, align: right"]27.54563123[/TD]
[TD]R851_Iron_Age_Ardea[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #0000FF, align: right"]30.24831400[/TD]
[TD]R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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I’m much closer to R437 than R850 too :)

from above:
R437 Largest chain 29.75 cM
R850 Largest chain 9.21 cM

Dod W9:
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Salento: Here are my Dodecad K9 < 5 distances. R437 is still my lowest, R850 comes in with World 9 at 12.1 similar to K12 Dodecad. We get many close distances on same samples.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]PalermoTrapani[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #26FF00, align: right"]1.10476242[/TD]
[TD]R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2DFF00, align: right"]1.31628264[/TD]
[TD]R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #2DFF00, align: right"]1.32676298[/TD]
[TD]R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #34FF00, align: right"]1.53642442[/TD]
[TD]R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #3EFF00, align: right"]1.82019230[/TD]
[TD]R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #46FF00, align: right"]2.04489609[/TD]
[TD]R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #46FF00, align: right"]2.05492092[/TD]
[TD]R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #49FF00, align: right"]2.13621160[/TD]
[TD]R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4CFF00, align: right"]2.24098193[/TD]
[TD]R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #4EFF00, align: right"]2.30169503[/TD]
[TD]R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #51FF00, align: right"]2.39457721[/TD]
[TD]R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #62FF00, align: right"]2.88750758[/TD]
[TD]R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #68FF00, align: right"]3.06411488[/TD]
[TD]R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6DFF00, align: right"]3.20686763[/TD]
[TD]R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #70FF00, align: right"]3.28330626[/TD]
[TD]R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #71FF00, align: right"]3.31430234[/TD]
[TD]R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #73FF00, align: right"]3.36801128[/TD]
[TD]R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]3.49931422[/TD]
[TD]R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #77FF00, align: right"]3.50762028[/TD]
[TD]R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #98FF00, align: right"]4.45753295[/TD]
[TD]R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A0FF00, align: right"]4.70699479[/TD]
[TD]R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
@PT :good_job:

I think that many of us would have totally blended in around Romulus, :cool-v:

... lol
 
Salento said:
I do share a deep dive with R850 :)
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IA dod k7
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new matches to myself ...................no R850

only orange bars count for myself
 
torzio said:


new matches to myself ...................no R850

only orange bars count for myself
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some of your matches and Otzi,

:thinking: I get a lot of Otzi DNA, he's from the Alps, if I didn't know who he is, I'd say he's Salentino :grin:


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T1a1... R850 650 BC vs T1a2... Salento 2020 AD
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R1b... R437 300 BC vs T1a2... Salento 2020 AD
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Salento: How do you do a comparison of your plot to those samples in Mytrueancestry? Do you have to upload a kit from those other samples and do a kit to kit comparison?
 
Ok, got it. thanks. and thanks to Jovialis again. Btw not to switch threads but Jovialis updated the ancient Roman samples from Antonio et al 2019 and categorized them by the C1 to C7 clusters in the Antonio et al 2019 paper. Check out that thread. Pretty interesting results and again credit and thanks to Jovialis for doing that.
 
.... Determine from which civilizations and time periods you inherited the most ancient DNA segments

100% Early Modern Period - Roman

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My archaeogenetic results make sense given my mostly Spanish (or Iberian) background. Cool that I share DNA with Ötzi the Iceman as well as two of the Skeleton Lake remains, including the T1a2 one.
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I do not understand where the Illyrian comes from. It shows up for my family members too. When I check the ancient groups that match the modern Spanish populations in their database, I also see Illyrian as a top match for almost all the regions, especially those in the south and east (Extremadura, Andalucía, Murcia, Valencia, Cataluña) and also Castile y León (north-central). Tried to understand it as a sort of Proto-Celtic Indo-European influence? Not even the modern groups of the western Balkans and the Adriatic coast in their database have Illyrian as one of their top ancient matches (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Albanian Tosk, Macedonian). Also don't really see it anywhere but Iberia...
 
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Huracan said:
My archaeogenetic results make sense given my mostly Spanish (or Iberian) background. Cool that I share DNA with Ötzi the Iceman as well as two of the Skeleton Lake remains, including the T1a2 one.
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I do not understand where the Illyrian comes from. It shows up for my family members too. When I check the ancient groups that match the modern Spanish populations in their database, I also see Illyrian as a top match for almost all the regions, especially those in the south and east (Extremadura, Andalucía, Murcia, Valencia, Cataluña) and also Castile y León (north-central). Tried to understand it as a sort of Proto-Celtic Indo-European influence? Not even the modern groups of the western Balkans and the Adriatic coast in their database have Illyrian as one of their top ancient matches (Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian, Albanian Tosk, Macedonian). Also don't really see it anywhere but Iberia...
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no such thing as an ethnic illyrian......its a geographical term......is is like saying iberian ............most likely they mean a west-balkan group, maybe Dalmatian or Liburnian, they seem the only sea power in the late bronze age and early iron age

What is your current snp......as mine has changed again
 
torzio said:
no such thing as an ethnic illyrian......its a geographical term......is is like saying iberian ............most likely they mean a west-balkan group, maybe Dalmatian or Liburnian, they seem the only sea power in the late bronze age and early iron age

What is your current snp......as mine has changed again
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My SNP remains CTS1848. FTDNA shows the country breakdown as well as new downstream SNP groups.
 
Skeleton Lake Traveler I3403 y T1a2 (L131) on my chrome 15 :)

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... and same chrome, but in a different position: I3404 (he’s mt H12, almost like me)

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There is both T1a1 and T1a2 in that area as well as Alsace and Lorraine

I remember the french study put Auvergne and Alsace both at 4%
 
... a T1a2 ‘relative’ from 215 years ago:

I3403 - Skeleton Lake Traveler -1805 AD

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