Celts and Curly Hair

[frankishwarrior]

Is there an explanation for this? My family is predominantly of celtic heritage and the curly hair gene is quite common. Like Tom Jones.

I have noticed this trait is fairly common in Celtic peoples. Yet it is noticeably absent in Germanic peoples. English people included.

 

[Ziober]

Is there an explanation for this? My family is predominantly of celtic heritage and the curly hair gene is quite common. Like Tom Jones.

I have noticed this trait is fairly common in Celtic peoples. Yet it is noticeably absent in Germanic peoples. English people included.

Both curly and straight are common in celtic people.

English people aren't just germanic, they are mostly from kelt ancestry.

 

[firetown]

People with red hair are more likely to have wavy or curly hair. Celtic people are more likely to have red hair. There is ONE connection.

 

[ROS]

Curly hair is quite exceptional I think in all of Europe, and Julio Cesar said that the tribe of the Siluros in Wales came from Hispania, other features because of curly hair, but of course in Spain truly curly hair type Tom Jones is little Frequent, I do not know where Julio Cesar observed that great frequency of curly hair in Hispania.

 

[Salento]

Curly hair is quite exceptional I think in all of Europe, and Julio Cesar said that the tribe of the Siluros in Wales came from Hispania, other features because of curly hair, but of course in Spain truly curly hair type Tom Jones is little Frequent, I do not know where Julio Cesar observed that great frequency of curly hair in Hispania.

Maybe Caesar stumbled in some left over Carthaginians.

 

[frankishwarrior]

Julio Cesar said that the tribe of the Siluros in Wales came from Hispania.

Not likely. Seems more likely that the Gaels were from Hispania though.

 

[Gitte]

People with red hair are more likely to have wavy or curly hair. Celtic people are more likely to have red hair. There is ONE connection.

It's funny you say that because 8 out of ten redheads I know has really straight or at most slightly 'big' wavy hair (like mine, it's isn't straight, but it doesn't have waves either. It just has...Movement)

 

[Angela]

Not likely. Seems more likely that the Gaels were from Hispania though.

Absolutely not. Ancient dna has falsified that entire theory. "Gaels" came from Central Europe, as did the Celtic speakers who went into Spain.

It would be a good idea to read the following to get a feeling for the current state of pop gen academic analysis:

"Lazaridis et al 2014:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture13673.html

Gamba et al: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms6257

Haak et al 2015: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture13673.html

Lazaridis et al 2016:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture13673.html

Iain Mathiesen et al 2015:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

Olalde et al:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/30/135616

Cassidy et al:http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full

Scheuenemann et al (with Johanes Krause): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5459999/

Lazaridis et al: https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ure23310_0.pdf

 

[firetown]

It's funny you say that because 8 out of ten redheads I know has really straight or at most slightly 'big' wavy hair (like mine, it's isn't straight, but it doesn't have waves either. It just has...Movement)

If this is you in the picture, I would definitely call your hair wavy, unless of course you can create a better term to fit YOURS better. Yes, a big moving wave on each side rather than many smaller ones. But still a wave. And yes, the longer my hair gets, the "bigger" and curlier it becomes. Sort of right below the ears it kicks off as I see it in your case.

 

[Gitte]

If this is you in the picture, I would definitely call your hair wavy, unless of course you can create a better term to fit YOURS better. Yes, a big moving wave on each side rather than many smaller ones. But still a wave. And yes, the longer my hair gets, the "bigger" and curlier it becomes. Sort of right below the ears it kicks off as I see it in your case.

With that reasoning it's indeed kind of wavy, but faaaaaaar from curly obviously and my hair is kind of gingery too.

 

[firetown]

With that reasoning it's indeed kind of wavy, but faaaaaaar from curly obviously and my hair is kind of gingery too.

I have seen this combination many times and still have to explain it as some sort of "genetic war" happening. So I am assuming you are partially Celtic and partially not. I have noticed Celtic men especially with red hair having a high percentage of curly hair. But when mixed with other types of Europeans, it seems of course more straight but the waviness always coming through in some form or another.

 

[Gitte]

I have seen this combination many times and still have to explain it as some sort of "genetic war" happening. So I am assuming you are partially Celtic and partially not. I have noticed Celtic men especially with red hair having a high percentage of curly hair. But when mixed with other types of Europeans, it seems of course more straight but the waviness always coming through in some form or another.

That's very likely of course, especially were I live and where I see all those straight-haired redheads - Belgium is on the exact border of the germanic world and the celtic world.

 

[firetown]

Exactly. Are there parts of Belgium where red hair is much more frequent than in others?

 

[Gitte]

Exactly. Are there parts of Belgium where red hair is much more frequent than in others?

I don't know for sure but I think it's more common in historical flanders (current West- and East-Flanders, where I live) which is logical, is that region had a lot of trade with the british isles in medieval Europe.

On several 'red hair maps' that region also has the most redheads of Belgium:

 

[firetown]

Interesting. I know for example of some areas in Holland where there are high percentages of rh negative people, similar numbers to Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland. Would be curious regarding this type of data regarding Belgium if there is anything you know of which stands out.