Are they more Western or Southern European looking?

[MOESAN]

just a thing: my post #12 the below sentance was not of mine (kept by error from a post I answered?)


"I always had a crush for blondies, but damn if they age badly"

 

[davef]

In this respect there are more remarkable persons in Germany. Let's take the old Bundeskanzler Helmut Schmidt, see:
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/he...-who-had-jewish-ancestry-dies-aged-96-1.62172

Maybe some SNP that have affect on behavior are more represented in some populations. Like the "hunter" gene:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_vs._farmer_hypothesis

But the old physical anthropologist connected a whole range of behavioral things with phenotypes.....nonsens. Behavior and looks are differentiated, different SNP locations besides different environmental effects.

Taken from the wiki article linked in your post:
"The hunter vs. farmer hypothesis is a proposed explanation of the nature of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) first suggested by radio host Thom Hartmann in his book Attention Deficit Disorder: a Different Perception."

I feel kinda proud . It's amazing how I should score around 70 percent Neolithic in Kurd's new ancient k12 calculator. I feel kinda bad for all those EEF's back then who had ADHD and were forced to spend long hours picking beans

 

[Ziober]

I don't think that skin type or fragility is necessarily related to hair color. I know a lot of dark haired Irish women who are wrinkled badly by the time they're in their thirties. It's not necessarily related to pigmentation either. I'm just as fair as they are, but I barely have any wrinkles at all, and the tone and elasticity of my skin are still basically what they always were. There are a lot of genes affecting these things of which we're not aware. I think skin "thickness" is one of them. That explains, for example, the fact that the East Asians don't seem to age as quickly as most Europeans, even when they are pretty fair skinned. My skin, likewise, is pretty thick, as health professionals who have given me injections tell me.

@Moesan,
I agree with your post number 12. Past 45-50 it's increasingly difficult to "guess" ethnicity, as it is with very young children.

Not hair color but skin color. As more white you are more thin is your skin.

 

[Angela]

Not hair color but skin color. As more white you are more thin is your skin.

That may be true as an average, but it doesn't work out that way for me nor for East Asians. My skin is quite thick, and my paleness amazes even my doctors. My doctors would never lie to me.

There's also a usual correlation between dark hair and eyes and darker skin. That doesn't work with me either. There are lots of possible admixtures. Think of Anne Hathaway or Michele Dockery:

I think it's also partly related to pain sensitivity. I have a very high threshold for pain. When I realized that, I realized I had to cultivate more patience and tolerance with other people when they're complaining about pain. It's not just being a "wimp" that I see in some people. They actually might feel more pain from certain things than I do.

 

[Ziober]

That may be true as an average, but it doesn't work out that way for me nor for East Asians. My skin is quite thick, and my paleness amazes even my doctors. My doctors would never lie to me.

There's also a usual correlation between dark hair and eyes and darker skin. That doesn't work with me either. There are lots of possible admixtures. Think of Anne Hathaway or Michele Dockery:

I think it's also partly related to pain sensitivity. I have a very high threshold for pain. When I realized that, I realized I had to cultivate more patience and tolerance with other people when they're complaining about pain. It's not just being a "wimp" that I see in some people. They actually might feel more pain from certain things than I do.

Well, You could be pale, but haven't too much red component. the reds are the fairiest and whose got thinest skin. there is an easy way to know how red you are. If you blush so much you are so red. If you could see your blue arteries, if you have rossy skin in some areas of your body... If your skin is almost transparent.

 

[Northener]

Taken from the wiki article linked in your post:
"The hunter vs. farmer hypothesis is a proposed explanation of the nature of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) first suggested by radio host Thom Hartmann in his book Attention Deficit Disorder: a Different Perception."

I feel kinda proud . It's amazing how I should score around 70 percent Neolithic in Kurd's new ancient k12 calculator. I feel kinda bad for all those EEF's back then who had ADHD and were forced to spend long hours picking beans

That's the spirit there are those who pick up and those who shake up! What's the WHG percentage?

 

[Angela]

Well, You could be pale, but haven't too much red component. the reds are the fairiest and whose got thinest skin. there is an easy way to know how red you are. If you blush so much you are so red. If you could see your blue arteries, if you have rossy skin in some areas of your body... If your skin is almost transparent.

I do get very red when I blush, not just on my cheeks, but on my neck and chest. It's really embarrassing because it's visible to everyone. Thankfully, I blush less as I get older. I also flush a lot when I drink alcohol, and that's also embarrassing. Yet, I don't have the genes for the alcohol flush reaction.

I think a lot of that has to do not with skin "thinness", but with the fact that with very little melanin changes are very apparent. Any little blemish stands out. Even something like hair dye at the edges of my hair is extremely visible. My skin is also very sensitive to dyes of all sorts, certain chemicals, and immediately gets very red. As for my arteries, it depends on the area of the body. The ones on my legs are pretty visible. Again, doctors have told me some of that has to do with how "buried" they are.

My point is that there are lots and lots of snps that affect phenotype. The usual correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. It's more complicated than that.

 

[Ziober]

I do get very red when I blush, not just on my cheeks, but on my neck and chest. It's really embarrassing because it's visible to everyone. Thankfully, I blush less as I get older. I also flush a lot when I drink alcohol, and that's also embarrassing. Yet, I don't have the genes for the alcohol flush reaction.

I think a lot of that has to do not with skin "thinness", but with the fact that with very little melanin changes are very apparent. Any little blemish stands out. Even something like hair dye at the edges of my hair is extremely visible. My skin is also very sensitive to dyes of all sorts, certain chemicals, and immediately gets very red. As for my arteries, it depends on the area of the body. The ones on my legs are pretty visible. Again, doctors have told me some of that has to do with how "buried" they are.

My point is that there are lots and lots of snps that affect phenotype. The usual correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation. It's more complicated than that.

My point is that you get a thin skin and you don't notice it.

 

[MOESAN]

I'm not sure I understood you well, Ziober; but red haired persons (with the very fair skin going to the most often) have as a whole this skin rather thicker than the average pop.
a lot of red haired has less visible blood vessels than other fair skinned people like a lot of (not red) blonds or very light brown haired people; as said Angela, more than a condition is needed to contribute to the final skin colour (blood circulation, skin thickness and others)

 

[Ziober]

I'm not sure I understood you well, Ziober; but red haired persons (with the very fair skin going to the most often) have as a whole this skin rather thicker than the average pop.
a lot of red haired has less visible blood vessels than other fair skinned people like a lot of (not red) blonds or very light brown haired people; as said Angela, more than a condition is needed to contribute to the final skin colour (blood circulation, skin thickness and others)

That's because you are talking about reds as a hair colour. I am talking about red(headed) features. The hair colour isn't the only one thing. Those people brown haired with pale-rossy skin are mostly red. The red hair is easily diluted, but those brown/blond haired with red genetics keep its pale-rossy skin, changing its hair colour.

 

[davef]

That's the spirit there are those who pick up and those who shake up! What's the WHG percentage?

No idea since I've never had a DNA test. But if I were to be born in a farming society, I wouldn't last bc routine, non stimulating tasks is deadly to me. I would wind up stealing a horse in the middle of the night and run it as fast as it can to freedom before the others find out and chase me down on their horses with their torches alit.

And this post is in no way making a mockery of Neolithic farmers by painting them as a bunch of boring dullards (especially since I should be mostly like them from a genetic perspective). I'm just pointing out that I'm mentally unsuitable for that kind of lifestyle. I'm sure early neoithic farmers still had fun when the work was complete.

To be more in depth, it comes down to requiring a stronger stimulus in order to reach the same amount of dopamine release as can be reached by a more "farmer" brain in response to a weaker stimulus.

 

[MOESAN]

That's because you are talking about reds as a hair colour. I am talking about red(headed) features. The hair colour isn't the only one thing. Those people brown haired with pale-rossy skin are mostly red. The red hair is easily diluted, but those brown/blond haired with red genetics keep its pale-rossy skin, changing its hair colour.

I was not sure even if I had supposed what you say here. I partly answered your post all the way. NO pale skin is not by force associated with reddish hue in it. Coon mad some remarks about it when comparing irish people and British people (in fact, even more vascularity among British people than among Irish people, for him. I agree for the most. But we have to distinguish allover pinkiness on the skin from the purely red marks on cheeks (local hypervascularity often associated to emotional reactions, and which can be found also in brunet white skinned people).

 

[Angela]

I was not sure even if I had supposed what you say here. I partly answered your post all the way. NO pale skin is not by force associated with reddish hue in it. Coon mad some remarks about it when comparing irish people and British people (in fact, even more vascularity among British people than among Irish people, for him. I agree for the most. But we have to distinguish allover pinkiness on the skin from the purely red marks on cheeks (local hypervascularity often associated to emotional reactions, and which can be found also in brunet white skinned people).

That's exactly right. My own dna results confirm it. I don't have "red hair" genetics, nor do I have predominately red tones in my skin, and I'm in the most "fair" category.

As for skin thickness, what thickness are we discussing? Is it the thickness of the stratum cornium or of the dermis? If you have a thicker dermis you will have more collagen and less wrinkling. If you have a thin stratum cornium you will get more scarring, more hyper-pigmentation from sun damage and aging, and your skin is more sensitive. East Asians have both. Then, some people have more active sebaceous glands, so they produce more oil, which may not be so great when you're young, but also protects from aging. The amount of melanin in the skin is another set of snps, as is how deeply your arteries are "buried".

You can't reduce all this to a strict correlation with "red headed" genes. There's no science whatsoever supporting that.

Not only scientists are aware of these things although it's from them that the knowledge has diffused. Having spent a lot of money over the years on skin care, I can tell you that knowledge about the various differences in skin type are well known.

See:
http://www.vivawoman.net/2010/10/six-things-to-know-about-our-asian-skin/

Then there's the whole issue of undertones, which has nothing to do with fairness versus darkness. I'm definitely a "winter" with blue tones, not red or pink or yellow. I'm sure that's the result of the combination of lots of different snps interacting with one another.
http://syndicate.details.com/post/choosing-the-colors-of-your-clothes-according-to-your-skin-tone

You can't reduce all of this to one simple equation.

 

[Angela]

^^I guess irony isn't your strong suit.

The point is that it's not very scientific to base "Aryan-ness" on physical appearance.

Are these people typical of their groups? No, they're not, but they exist.

Lauen Bacall-100% Ashkenazi

Giuliano Rozzoli-100% Italian

 

[Jovialis]

I think it's interesting how much different Eric and Donald Trump Jr. look from each other. They both have the same mother and father.

Their noses are different as well. Eric has more of a Greek nose, while Donald Jr's is more Roman.

 

[LeBrok]

I think it's interesting how much different Eric and Donald Trump Jr. look from each other. They both have the same mother and father.

Their noses are different as well. Eric has more of a Greek nose, while Donald Jr's is more Roman.

Well, they look like brothers, and on rather similar side for me. The biggest difference is in skin and hair tone, other features are more alike. For brothers the spectrum of genetic similarity goes from 50% to 100%, if I'm not mistaken. I would guess that they are 85% phenotypically alike. I'm not sure about personality traits.

 

[Jovialis]

I think Donald Trump Jr. looks a tad more like his dad when he was younger; Particularly his eyebrows.

Donald Trump Jr. was actually quite blonde as a kid. I had no idea, its amazing how certain genes can turn off.

Well, they look like brothers, and on rather similar side for me. The biggest difference is in skin and hair tone, other features are more alike. For brothers the spectrum of genetic similarity goes from 50% to 100%, if I'm not mistaken. I would guess that they are 85% phenotypically alike. I'm not sure about personality traits.

Interesting, me and my brother actually look quite different. My sisters looks a bit closer to me.

 

[LeBrok]

I think Donald Trump Jr. looks a tad more like his dad when he was younger; Particularly his eyebrows.

Donald Trump Jr. was actually quite blonde as a kid. I had no idea, its amazing how certain genes can turn off.



Interesting, me and my brother actually look quite different. My sisters looks a bit closer to me.

What surprises me is that all kids looks less attractive than their parents. Perhaps it is just me.

 

[Jovialis]

idk, I think Ivanka is attractive imo

I also think Hillary was pretty when she was younger, in certain pictures. Particularly around this time though. She looked too much like a goof-ball when she was even younger.

 

[LeBrok]

idk, I think Ivanka is attractive imo

She certainly is, but I'm not sure if she can "beat" her mother in this department.