I2a-Din came to the Balkans and Dinaric Alps with the Thracians, Dacians & Illyrians

[Trojet]

Evidence? Trojet,show me one single ancient Slavic I2a1b............!

To date the majority of ancient DNA samples come from before I-CTS10228 aka I2a-Slavic mutation TMRCA of 2300 ybp even existed, hence the chances of finding one are pretty slim.
However, go get your Slavic archeologists and test some remains in the area north of the Carpathians from 0-500 AD and you likely will find plenty of I-CTS10228+ samples there.

We recently had the Genomic History of Southeastern Europe, and no I2a1-M423 (where I2a-Slavic stems from) was found anywhere in the Balkans which sampled from the Mesolithic all the way to the Iron Age, but to the contrary I2a1-M423 was found all over north of the Balkans. Instead what we had in the heart of Bronze Age Dalmatia (Croatia), is J2b2a-L283 as can be seen here.

 

[Fatherland]

Trojet:"Obviously, it's pretty clear by now that people like you cannot rely on these samples nor the TMRCA figures, if you don't like this evidence."

Evidence for what?

You should just accept that you are an Magyarized Slav by the Hungarian conquerors from 900AD and stop coping, since what I gathered you are Hungarian carrying this haplogroup.

Your posts are of low quality really. I am not sure why Trojet is wasting time with you.

 

[gyms]

Fatherland,show me one single ancient Slavic I2a1b............!

 

[Fustan]

Gyms, have you done ftDNA? If so, how many markers?

 

[gyms]

Förresten Fatherland,du är en jävla uppblåst nolla.If you understand me...

 

[Fatherland]

Förresten Fatherland,du är en jävla uppblåst nolla.If you understand me...

Var bor du?

 

[Fustan]

The reason I2 is this high in Hungary is because Magyars generally had positive relations with slavs in the Huno-Austrian empire due to them being against Romanians.

 

[gyms]

Var bor du?

I Kosovo.Var bor du då?

 

[Fatherland]

Double post.

 

[Miroslav]

To date the majority of ancient DNA samples come from before I-CTS10228 aka I2a-Slavic mutation even existed, hence the chances of finding one are pretty slim if not zero...

Stop repeating the same thing over and over again: I-CTS10228 is not I2a-Slavic (nonexisting nomenclature); you still did not learn that I-CTS10228 was formed 3148 BCE (late Neolithic, Bronze Age, Iron Age period) and you have a plenty of samples from the period and countries according to Slavic theory yet nowhere is found; one sample from Croatia does not refute and prove anything.

Fatherland,show me one single ancient Slavic I2a1b............!

He, I, anyone can not show you because it does not exist at the moment.

 

[MarkoZ]

The same question can be asked why you ignored the other posts?

Pigmentation has no relevance, blond people existed across the Balkans before the Slavs and Germanic movements. There's no difference in the South Slavs and Albanians when it comes to pigmentation really. No offense, it just seems you haven't paid attention to all this.
I'm blond, blue eyed and pale-skinned myself(and very tall at 198cm), yet typical Gheg in autosomal plots/admixture with slight northwestern shift.

Vlachs are similar to the host population of their country so you can't use that as an argument and they do have quite a handful of different haplogroups.
They did infact mingle with Slavs due to common religion of Orthodoxy and so did the Tosks to a lesser extent.
Vlachs R1a frequency is 21.5% in FYROM alone.

Ghegs, especially from the northern tribes are infact the population one should always look at and we see a strong continuity between three main haplogroups since the Classic times; J2b2, R1b-L23 and EV13 with virtually non-existing I2a-Slavic. J2b2-L283 and R1b-L23 frequencies increases the more deeper you get into Gheg tribal territory.


I2a-Slavic and R1a along with some mtDNA are the markers that carried significant North-Eastern admixture into the Balkans.
I've seen many South Slavs, particularily Bosnians and Croats get more than 50% North Slavic on DNA.land and that tells you something.


My DNA.land results are almost purely Balkan, seen some Ghegs get 100%

Kosovars are significantly northern-shifted compared to Greeks,who if we take I2a and R1a to be Slavic should have significant northern influence.i Autosomally however there's a very natural cline towards the south. I suggest everyone read the IBD section of Krushniarevich (2015) to see why this, in fact, has to be the case considering the population history of SE-Europe.

 

[Fatherland]

Kosovars are significantly northern-shifted compared to Greeks,who if we take I2a and R1a to be Slavic should have significant northern influence.i Autosomally however there's a very natural cline towards the south. I suggest everyone read the IBD section of Krushniarevich (2015) to see why this, in fact, has to be the case considering the population history of SE-Europe.

Wrong. You forgot to add Albanians are NorthWestern-shifted compared to Greeks which implies minimal Slavic ancestry.

Mainland Greeks and Ghegs are similar in terms of admixture, except that the Greeks shift SouthEast and Albanian Ghegs(including Kosovars) shift NorthWest between one-another.
South Slavs compared to Albanians/Mainland Greeks are dramatically very different.

Keep in mind Slavs were flooding South Balkans at a certain point bar the rough highlands.

 

[Miroslav]

Oh my God, are these Albanians really using a forum instead of private messages?

 

[Fatherland]

Oh my God, are these Albanians really using a forum instead of private messages?

"Albanians this, Albanians that."

I don't see why you and gyms(for the personal insult at the top of the page) are not banned yet.

 

[Fustan]

Oh my God, is he really named "slav" in his name but denies that most of his haplogroups are slavic?

 

[Miroslav]

What your private conversation and someone user name have anything to do with the topic...? Just... no comment.

 

[gyms]

Var bor du?

Good job,google translate.

 

[MarkoZ]

Wrong.

Mainland Greeks and Albanians are similar in terms of admixture. South Slavs and Albanians/Mainland Greeks are very different.
Keep in mind Slavs were flooding South Balkans at a certain point bar the rough highlands.

Might want to take a look at the ADMIXTURE run posted by Angela a frw pages earlier. The Serbian -> Macedonian -> Kosovar -> Greek gradient is extremely smooth.

 

[Fatherland]

Might want to take a look at the ADMIXTURE run posted by Angela a frw pages earlier. The Serbian -> Macedonian -> Kosovar -> Greek gradient is extremely smooth.

Bosniak, Bosnian Serb, Montenegrin and Croat is not, they are literally miles apart from Albanians in admixture. Serbs especially near Kosovo have Albanian-like admixture.

In many calculators, I get closer match with North Italians than with Serbs from Serbia because Ghegs have little Baltic admixture compared to Northwestern admixture(Atlantic & North Sea).

Serbs vary alot in admixture and are not homogenous by any means.

Admixturewise, Albanians are closer to Romanians than to Serbs/Montenegrins/Croats/Bosnians despite not bordering.


Take Eurogenes for instance:

Atlantic+North Sea:Baltic ratio in Gheg Albanians is 5:1
East Euro component varies less, so it seems to have mostly come from Yamnaya/Indo-European input.

Let's take a Bosnian Serb/Croat/Bosniak and we see Atlantic+North Sea:Baltic ratio gets radically different along with the higher East Euro component. North Eastern component ratio gets even much bigger in South Slavs if we combine Baltic with East Euro.

 

[LABERIA]

Bosniak, Bosnian Serb, Montenegrin and Croat is not, they are literally miles apart from Albanians in admixture. Serbs especially near Kosovo have Albanian-like admixture.

Serbs vary alot in admixture and are not homogenous by any means.

Admixturewise, Albanians are closer to Romanians than to Serbs/Montenegrins/Croats/Bosnians despite not bordering.
In many calculators, I get closer match with North Italians than with Serbs from Serbia.

They also have many Albanian surnames, always with the ic suffix in the end.