Racial origin of the Thracians, Huns, Mongols, Turkics?

[Sile]

Replaced?!!! And you concluded this by checking genetics of modern Bulgarians?

absorbed instead of

 

[Sile]

The presence of Illyrians in Greek sources was mentioned in "Iliad" of Homer 1800 years bc. But that means they did not come there the day they were mentioned. They could have been there thousand of years before they were mentioned. In the same source you hear about Thracian's as well.
But again the language of Thracian is described as Thraco-Illyrian or Daco -Thracian. The linguists detect connections between these languages which means The Dacs, the Illyrians and Thracians were in a distant past the same people. Since the Bulgarians seat in Thracian homeland its not correct to say that racially Thracian's looked somehow similar like Bulgarians or Romanians since both are heavily mixed. Bulgarians have the Turkic Bulgar layer ans the Slavic one, and the Romanians have Slavic and Roman layer.(Romans deported thousand of Rome's women for reasons that I am not mentioning here since might look insulting.). So the only people that are less mixed and have consistently live in the area are Kosovans that's why I suggested that they are the close we can get to the Thracian's in racial terms.

what page of the book

does this have anything to do with it
https://www.academia.edu/3473137/TH..._SYMBOLISAM_OF_A_SNAKE_FOR_ALL_OVER_THE_WORLD

 

[Aaron1981]

If Kosovars are the original people of the Balkans, the strongest candidate for IE Thracians would be R1b, not J2b , J2a, or even E-V13. These are basically Middle Eastern people who have nothing to do with the steppes. It can't go both ways

 

[vcovaci]

Wait, is there any estimate regarding the actual number of Slavs and Bulgarian nomads that arrived south of Danube during the Migration Period? More exactly what would be the percentage of the local population represented by these newcomers? And also, during Roman times, what was the extent of migrations to modern day Bulgaria and Romania from other parts of the empire and from outside of it? Especially in the later case I'm speaking not about transitory populations (like the Visigoths which stayed in these regions for a while and then left for Gaul and Spain) but about peoples permanently settled here.

 

[Maleth]

If Kosovars are the original people of the Balkans, the strongest candidate for IE Thracians would be R1b, not J2b , J2a, or even E-V13. These are basically Middle Eastern people who have nothing to do with the steppes. It can't go both ways

*) quote-E-V13 has been shown to have originated most probably in the Balkans circa 9000 BCE as a Mesolithicmarker,-end quote

http://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1043&context=humbiol_preprints (in reference to Battaglia et al. 2008) http://www.draganprimorac.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Battaglia.pdf

*)What is proposed in regards to Thracian origins? It is generally proposed that a proto-Thracian people developed from a mixture of indigenous peoples and Indo-Europeans from the time of Proto-Indo-European expansion in the Early Bronze Age^[7] when the latter, around 1500 BC, mixed with indigenous peoples.^[8] We speak of proto-Thracians from which during the Iron Age^[9] (about 1000 BC) Dacians and Thracians begin developing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians#Origins_and_ethnogenesis

*)Albanian is considered to have evolved from an ancient Paleo-Balkan language, usually taken to be either Illyrian or Thracian. (See also Thraco-Illyrian and Messapian language.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language

*) Current HG % in the region

Bulgaria Most Bulgarians belong to three unrelated Y-DNA haplogroups, 20% of whom to I-M423 (I2a1b), 18% to E-V13 (E1b1b1a1b1a) and 17.5% to R-M17 (R1a1a), but the biggest part belongs to macro-haplgoroup R (~28%)

Albania
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It dose not seem like 3500ybp there was such a thing as either or. or cannot go both ways.

 

[Maleth]

oops sorry wrong thread