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Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

"We don't have problems with Kurds, we only have a Problem with PKK " they said.

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images of the match yesterday between Barcelona and Sevilla.

Above Iberian channel, and right under it from Turkish state television. They made themselves so much efford to censor the official Kurdish flag from Iraqi Kurdistan. I think the Kurdish flag is too much terror upon the Turkish public. How racist can a state whoms official state televisions censors the flag of a region they have economic trade with and which is relatively "friendly" with them, can be towards it's own Kurdish population?


Racism hatred in this country is deep and it goes through all parts of the state and public. PKK is just the excuse they have found to keep their century long racism and hatred alive.
 
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So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

Completely wrong and inversely. Greeks were victims.
 
"We don't have problems with Kurds, we only have a Problem with PKK " they said.


images of the match yesterday between Barcelona and Sevilla.

Above Iberian channel, and right under it from Turkish state television. They made themselves so much efford to censor the official Kurdish flag from Iraqi Kurdistan. I think the Kurdish flag is too much terror upon the Turkish public. How racist is a state whoms official state televisions censor the flag of a region they have economic trade with and which is relatively "friendly" with them, can be towards it's own Kurdish population?


Racism hatred in this country is deep and it goes through all parts of the state and public. PKK is just the excuse they have found to keep their century long racism and hatred keep alive.
Wow, that's really telling about Turkey's policy against Kurds.
 
So should have Greeks. they have committed atrocities in their Greek-Turkish war and in Albania. I guess there is no justice in this world!

I agree,
Albanians should go to international judge for genocide of Greeks,
 
Yes, this is a thread I started:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ependent-country-(Russian-Ukrainian-conflict)



I don't need to think about this, I give people a chance to decide for themselve.



It won't be easy, and many dictatorial countries don't like the idea of Kurdistan.

That's ok, Switzerland is a construct of few ethnic groups, no access to the see, just mountains, and is peaceful and richest country in Europe.

geopolitical geostrategical,
nations are sold, people die,
anyway it akes long time,
and since taliban on the oither corner win state army,
and in Africa Boco haram is strong enough, I think we must change our minds, and see the problem in its true center,
 
Wow, that's really telling about Turkey's policy against Kurds.

Last time I checked when Barzani officially spoke on Turkish state TV they censored the Kurdish flag behind him. It's not the PKK, the Kurds are the Problem. It could be Kurds living in Africa still Turks would react like it's their problem.

I mean how threatned can someone feel about a simple flag, a flag which belongs to your traiding partners. Why isn't Turkey so afraid of the Palestinian flag?
 
Last time I checked when Barzani officially spoke on Turkish state TV they censored the Kurdish flag behind him. It's not the PKK, the Kurds are the Problem. It could be Kurds living in Africa still Turks would react like it's their problem.

I mean how threatned can someone feel about a simple flag, a flag which belongs to your traiding partners. Why isn't Turkey so afraid of the Palestinian flag?


I think Turks and Kurds get along pretty well. There always be a minority that will not agree with the state of Turkish-Kurdish affairs but largely the relations between two ethnicityes are good.
 
You are the prime example of the headlessness of the Turkish society no wonder your government can play you like a football ball.

I have already told that I lost my patriotism. I criticising everthing and all of them seems grey for me, but I guess you were sleeping while I was posting.

This is just an illusion, when I criticising you(your world), you just put me in enemy case. However I criticising everything.

I post a video showing ISIS fighters with an ISIS flag on their Shirts. And you tell me I didn't?

Again you didn't , I was waiting an answer about reason of Silopi conflict (PKK- Turkish goverment conflict which begun this summer)

There are documents in the hands of the US that proves Turkey is aiding ISIS.

Ohh what a lovely, I hope they publish it. This can be end of erdogan. But let's talk it when you got real source, not a speech from politician who try to elect. That's just remind me Saddams Nuclear Weapons which couldn't find.



No they don't if you claim something provide sources otherwise you are simply being a liar. You claim I didn't prove anything and you think you have proven something just be a simple statement serious?

And Alqaida wasn't "build" by the West. The Mujahedeen were the defense forces of the Afghan vs the Sowiet occupation. From those Taliban the Al Qaida cells emerged. years later. What the US did was provide the Mujahedeen (what was the official front against the Soviets) with weapons. Decade later the virus called Bin Laden who was fighting for the Mujahedeen took the power and radicalized the group.

It looks like you are feeding chickhen but suprise when you see an egg


Thanks for the insult. Who is angry?.

If I did something which caused you felt be insult, I am sorry.:sad-2:

But Angry LoL :grin:, for that I need to be stucj-k in my opinion and you have to corner me. However none of them happened yet

You're a joke dude.

I wish, I could say that. After seeing a real insult(your first sentence), you are not funny for being a joke

Tell your stories someone else. WHo is the real target of Turkey is clearly visible to anyone who isn't blind.

If you are the one who try the save today and not thinking tomorrow, I can't do anything.

and do you think Turks are blind?

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This is not ISIS


Your whole argumentation is a joke so I am not going deeper into this, cause I remember Erdogans 180 degree face change towards Assad. And I quite frankly remember from were this all starter.

Which part of my argument is joke? As you said Erdoğan 180 degree face change. I just said it, as you said here.


Official Turkish version. Just like Turkish government claimed allot of things which turned out wrong. Man all your arguments are just a big joke.

Using word joke, don't you help to look smart. Take this advise

Look, wake up from your dream world, or just stop quoting me. No one believes your lies anymore. Everyone knows who started this. Everyone knows why it started. Let me remind 30 young Students were killed with a bomb planted by turkish police supported ISIS. And those Turkish soldiers who are "not able" to catch heavily armored ISIS from entering ISIS can easily see when a little children with his mother tries to cross into Turkey and shoot them? Tell your jokes somewhere else.

What are you reading in Germany about Middle-East, I don't know. But I am the one who live in it

I suggest you also interrogate other relations of ISIS

http://www.yazarabi.com/2015/08/isis-sells-oil-to-germany.html


The mighty "Turks". I am waiting for the day NATO puts you aside. So much racism and oppression one day it will end.

Now you start to show your true revenger face.

Arap, Kurds and Turks until realise that peace won't come untill they stop to wish others pain as British-French and Germany

But you are breaking my hope

Do you know that Istanbul among the citieswhere the Kurdish parties get most votes?

Kurdish part BDP didn't enter the last election. It made coalition and joined the election under the name HDP. All my family that's why voted for them, so their vote didn't show just Kurds.


SInce when was it in interest of Kurds to "conquer" land outside their homeland?
Just a small example Mosul was great conflict between Iraq Kurdistan and Iraq.
 
I have already told that I lost my patriotism. I criticising everthing and all of them seems grey for me, but I guess you were sleeping while I was posting.

This is just an illusion, when I criticising you(your world), you just put me in enemy case. However I criticising everything.

Ah just stop it there. You didn't criticize anything about your Turkey, you can claim to be "non racist" and to have lost your "patriotism" all day long, but I am used to turkish racists and your arguments perfectly fit into this category and that you also consider yourself non racist fits into it well. Most Turks don't realize how racist they are.


Again you didn't , I was waiting an answer about reason of Silopi conflict (PKK- Turkish goverment conflict which begun this summer)

I did, I did you simply prefer to ignore it, typical attitude of a crypto racist.



hh what a lovely, I hope they publish it. This can be end of erdogan. But let's talk it when you got real source, not a speech from politician who try to elect. That's just remind me Saddams Nuclear Weapons which couldn't find.

The whole world knows that the Turkish government is supporting ISIS the whole world knows that Turks are basically racist towards Kurds, the only reason non of the governments in the West bring it up, is because Turkey is still part of NATO. The day Turkey leaves or thrown out of this, let's see how well your racism does. The whole world is already showing that they know the truth throw their media, not only the West heck even states such as China, Japan and Russia are supportive and know who are fault.



It looks like you are feeding chickhen but suprise when you see an egg

Exactly, thats how the racist Turkish mind and their government work. Support the enemies of Kurds, kill Kurdish civilians daily on the border bomb them personally and than be "suprised" (or let's they get the expected) about the reaction.



If I did something which caused you felt be insult, I am sorry.:sad-2:

Seriously the overuse of smileys doesn't make you appear smart, so just let it go.
But Angry LoL :grin:, for that I need to be stucj-k in my opinion and you have to corner me. However none of them happened yet

imagination is also a very important attribute.

I wish, I could say that. After seeing a real insult(your first sentence), you are not funny for being a joke

Look at our racist friend, who called me an angry monkey. He is upset about being called a joke :(

If you are the one who try the save today and not thinking tomorrow, I can't do anything.

and do you think Turks are blind?

No I think too many Turks are simply racist because they are brainwashed by century long miseducation.




Which part of my argument is joke? As you said Erdoğan 180 degree face change. I just said it, as you said here.
I never lost a word about Erdogan I know you are not an Erdogan friend. You are the oldschool Kemalist_MHP racist. So being anti Erdogan doesn't make you anti racist this kind of logic only works in Turkey. It's like saying, "look Assad is a hero, he is anti ISIS". lol





What are you reading in Germany about Middle-East, I don't know. But I am the one who live in it

Let me tell you this, In Germany I surely have more access to free media as in Turkey were Twitter, Youtube, Facebook are constantly blocked. You don't live in it you smug individual. My relatives are in middle of it. Thats the major problem with you guys, you think you know a crap from your homes in Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara hundreds to thousand miles away from the dangerous zone.



Now you start to show your true revenger face.

Arap, Kurds and Turks until realise that peace won't come untill they stop to wish others pain as British-French and Germany

But you are breaking my hope

For Gods sake what kind of shameless individual are you.

Turkish public, the Turkish country has an issue with everything what stands for Kurds, the heck they censor the Kurdish flag on a freakn Football game and you speak of hope?

https://www.facebook.com/Dalkurd.2004/videos/10153125403123247/?permPage=1

Kurdish part BDP didn't enter the last election. It made coalition and joined the election under the name HDP. All my family that's why voted for them, so their vote didn't show just Kurds.

just cut me that nonsense. HDP is known in all of TUrkey as pro Kurdish party. 90% of their votes came directly from Kurdish territories do I need to post a election map you delusional individual? Typical turkish way of arguing.

Just a small example Mosul was great conflict between Iraq Kurdistan and Iraq.


The heck what? When did Kurdish Peshmerga try to conquer Mosul, a nowadays predominantly Arab city? the US and Iraqi Army try their best to push the Kurdish fighters to conquer Mosul but the Peshmerga don't want to fight a war for the Iraqi Army, who themselves are very anti Kurdish in their politics. few month ago they came just infront of Mosul and surrounded it, even used some
artillery on the city but didn't try to conquer it, even now Mosul is surrounded but they don't want to go in and fight a war for the Iraqi government yet until a politicalm solution is met.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Iraqi_insurgency_detailed_map

And I repeat, If you throw "arguments" into the room, underline them with sources just like I did, otherwise this is simply spam in my eyes.
 
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Ah just stop it there. You didn't criticize anything about your Turkey,

Sorry, I was just wasting time to answer you rationalistic criticizing

you can claim to be "non racist" and to have lost your "patriotism" all day long, but I am used to turkish racists and your arguments perfectly fit into this category and that you also consider yourself non racist fits into it well. Most Turks don't realize how racist they are.

We facist Turks love to vote Kurdish-Left block in the election.

What a empty words. Elephants don't look ground to not step on a bug. In every society, in every culture, religion or ideogy fanatics don't understand what do they do wrong.

I did, I did you simply prefer to ignore it, typical attitude of a crypto racist.

Again, again and again you didn't. You shared something about Turkey-ISIS which is not directly relevant with PKK-Turkey conflict. I was asking that.

Firstly I was prime example of the headlessness of the Turkish society

Then most of my nation be racist

Finally, I became a crypto racist

I think situation is clear about who is real racist, don't you think that? :good_job:

The whole world knows that the Turkish government is supporting ISIS the whole world knows that Turks are basically racist towards Kurds, the only reason non of the governments in the West bring it up, is because Turkey is still part of NATO. The day Turkey leaves or thrown out of this, let's see how well your racism does. The whole world is already showing that they know the truth throw their media, not only the West heck even states such as China, Japan and Russia are supportive and know who are fault.

Oh my dear, firstly I am strong anti-NATO supporter.

How much protect EU, Greece? Don't magnify NATO. I hope Turkey get out of it. And all millitary organisation will colapse. World need active UN force. Not polaried military pacts.

Look at our Turkish racist who could me an angry monkey.

I don't think you know the meaning of it. Do you want me to use it in a sentences? It is a slang term, but not racist.

acting like an angry monkey throwing feces
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-compares-obama-to-ken-starr/comment-page-15/

İt usually use for a person who act with uncontrolled hate.

No I think too many Turks are racist and brainwashed by century long miseducation.

Exactly, if someone who doesn't agree with you, it means that he is racist and think or saying it is not racist.:clap:

European education system is fascinating. Look at how a middle eastern guy has been enlightened


I never lost a word about Erdogan I know you are not a Erdogan friend. You are the oldschool Kemalist_MHP racist. So being anti Erdogan doesn't make you anti racist this kind of logic only works in Turkey. It's like saying, "look Assad is a hero, he is anti ISIS". lol

Which part of my words are obscure when I said I vote HDP???

And After the remebering what Ocalan's path, it is very same I won't say PKK is a hero, it is anti ISIS


Let me tell you this, In Germany I surely have more access to free media as in Turkey were Twitter, Youtube, Facebook are constantly blocked. You don't live in it you smug.
Snowden or Assange
My relatives are in middle of it.

You are not one, who can died in PKK /ISIS attack in Istanbul. Both are active, again not same.

Turkish public, the Turkish country has an issue with everything what stands for Kurds, the heck they censor the Kurdish flag on a freakn Football game and you speak of hope?

I won't defend it. Even I create my own flag.

Dude just cut me that nonsense. HDP is known in all of TUrkey as pro Kurdish party. 95% of their votes came directly from Kurdish territories do I need to post a election map you delusional turkish racist? Typical turkish way to argument

"i don't agree with you but i will defend your right to say it" so I won't say your words nonsense or joke. Speak my ultrakurdish nationalist friend :grin:

Kurdish territories and 95% lol that means Kurds even don't need the vote of Kurds in Istanbul and all West Turkey. Typical fasict kurd :laughing:. Hey dude it is funny. I mean calling people unnesserily racist/facist.

Just this can crush your argument

And I repeat my crypto racist friend. If you throw "arguments" into the room, underline them with sources just like I did, otherwise this will simply be considered spam.

I have already used visual sources my friend, maybe you didn't notice.
 
I am not going to answer spam messages anymore.


Turkish government : "We are bombing PKK in North Iraq"

Amnesty International : "All individuals killed by Turkish warplanes are civilians of Zergele village".
Amnesty: All Killed in Zergele Village by Turkish Warplanes Were Civilians
“The recent attacks in Kandil maimed, killed, and displaced residents, destroying homes and terrifying locals in an area where no military targets appeared to be present,” said Lama Fakih, Senior Crisis Advisor at Amnesty International who visited the area.
http://www.diplomaticintelligence.e...n-into-turkish-airstrikes-in-kandil-mountains

http://kurdishquestion.com/index.ph...lage-by-turkish-warplanes-were-civilians.html
 
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.
 
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.

Thanks for this mature perspective. I hope every member of forum will respect it
 
Could you give an example a country which doesn't lie? I lost my patriotism during Gezi protest



There is an idiom about that; same shit but in different colour.



There is no black and white. everyone is grey. Just some speacial nonphysical words can be pure white such as goodness



I agree.

Are these boy looking like from ISIS?

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no, Free Syrian Army
Criticising some aspects of the Turkish government, doesn't mean you are not a patriot. A real and true patriot criticizes his own country and government. A blind and idiot patriot who always said good stuff for his own country certainly is not a patriot ,but he is just damaging his own people. So go on with your patriotism. Nothing wrong being a patriot. Don't lose your patriotism due to erdogan. Erdogan is just one another mortal human being.
 
Ok, so are all the civilizations evil, there is no one good?



Yes, but they were friends one time, and in this period they helped each other, not when they were enemies. West didn't help Al Qaeda or ISIS. US helped friends Mujaheddins, who later turned Al Qaeda and declared war on the West.



The original question was if Turkey are bombing ISIS at all and are the sympathetic to them? We know that Turkey is very afraid of Free Kurdistan. We can see it through their actions.

No idea why?

There was no one Free Syrian Army, there were many fractions.

Who?
The Western civilization is better than the east civilization.
But there is not a paradise yet on the earth. [emoji4] .
 
I am not going to answer spam messages anymore.


Turkish government : "We are bombing PKK in North Iraq"

Amnesty International : "All individuals killed by Turkish warplanes are civilians of Zergele village".

http://www.diplomaticintelligence.e...n-into-turkish-airstrikes-in-kandil-mountains

http://kurdishquestion.com/index.ph...lage-by-turkish-warplanes-were-civilians.html

At least you didn't call me racist or imply that I am racist. This is something. It seems we are geeting hot each other :good_job:

and finally you saw my point and share something about PKK-Turkey. Thanks.

Firstly civil cause always happen, did US use nuclear weapons on Japanese military base, twice? But you won't answer it because even I am totally right, it is not important for you. I didn't share link which made my post is spam.

but some examples from NATO

Wedding in Afghanistan
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghani...air-strike-kills-women-kids-at-wedding-party/

24 Pakistan Soldiers
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-15901363


All act like these be judge and if Amnesty International says that they are civils, Turkey should defend himself in the court too.

Everybody knows that goverments try to hide these things, and gerilla's try to increase civil lost to gain more sympathy
 
In North West Greece happened a genocide against the civil Albanian population. This is something well-known.
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Italy has for quite a while has recognized Greek genocide against Albanians in South Epirus. In 1967 when Greece applied for NATO membership Italy insisted Greece recognize the genocide but Italian resistance was put down since at that time the communist Albanian government was anti western. There are signs that Greek government is flirting with Russia. If that happens Albania has assurances from the West that Southern Epirus will be returned to the legitimate owners Albanians.
 
Let's step back and take a deep breath, and let's not call anyone racist or fascist just because we are on other sides of a border or an issue.
Only the Greeks are allowed to call the others, fascists and terrorist Islamist? A Greek member here called me with different epithets [emoji57] [emoji4]. But you know, a brave man don't show his bravery on internet forums. A coward do so.
Please, I am not writing any particular member name. You know what I mean.
But lets keep it civil. Only the cowards offend others on internet. This is only my honest opinion. [emoji4]
 
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