Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[Yetos]

I do not want to go off topic,
but except IS is also problem in Nigeria, Kogko, etc,

 

[Garrick]

I do not want to go off topic,
but except IS is also problem in Nigeria, Kogko, etc,

I think it is not off topic because it has link if we watch wider context, only if we think that topic is strictly related to title, moderators can be flexible, certainly there are limits and moderators make decisions if they thinks limits are exceeded.

There are good news, in Libya pro-government forces advance:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...apture-parts-benghazi-201411123564873706.html

 

[LeBrok]

8 thousand men strong Peshmerga Kurdish army, with support of allies bombing of ISIS positions, liberated Yazidis stranded on Mount Sinja!

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...ound-from-isil-iraq-20141218171223624837.html

 

[LeBrok]

Battle of Kobane.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30692273

 

[Mars]

I support the kurdish cause. Anyways, I'd like to know if the turks think the same thing, too; apparently not.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-border-checkpoint-relaxing-chat-guards.html

 

[LeBrok]

Kobane is finally liberated off ISIS, however the distraction of east part of city is enormous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-continue-fight-reclaim-hometowns-Kobane.html

 

[Yetos]

Kobane is finally liberated off ISIS, however the distraction of east part of city is enormous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-continue-fight-reclaim-hometowns-Kobane.html

etrified: what city?

looks more than a a complex of karstic phenomena caves

it will take decades to clean and gather all lost ammunition, dirt, scrup, and build it again,

 

[Goga]

etrified: what city?

looks more than a a complex of karstic phenomena caves

it will take decades to clean and gather all lost ammunition, dirt, scrup, and build it again,

Doesn't matter. We will rebuild it. The most important is that we defended our homeland against the Islamofascism and Turkish and Arab occupation and colonization. Kurdistan is and will be always a graveyard of our Islamic enemies.

 

[Goga]

Btw, Barzani (and his tribe) is an Islamic leader. He is helping Turkey, ISIS and Sunni Arab terrorists. And as long South Kurdistan is being ruled by the Islamists and Islamic leaders, it will be never free. The most promising thing is Rojava (Western Kurdistan) and Shengal-Ezdixan (homeland of the Ezdi Kurds). Those areas are secular and Islam-free. And those parts of Kurdistan are being ruled by the true Kurds and not by Kurdish traitors who work for Islamofascist Turkey and Islamic Arabs. Those areas will be free very soon. Northern Kurdistan is next. We will witness a free independent Great Kurdistan very soon in the near future. Islamofascist Turkey is finished. We defeated Turkey in Kobani and we will defeat Turkey in other Northern Kurdistan cities, like Amed. Turks couldn't even take one very small town from Kurds. And Turkey tried everything! Do you really think they can take our huge cities were live millions of Kurds? POWER to the PEOPLE!

 

[Alan]

Btw, Barzani (and his tribe) is an Islamic leader. He is helping Turkey, ISIS and Sunni Arab terrorists. And as long South Kurdistan is being ruled by the Islamists and Islamic leaders, it will be never free. The most promising thing is Rojava (Western Kurdistan) and Shengal-Ezdixan (homeland of the Ezdi Kurds). Those areas are secular and Islam-free. And those parts of Kurdistan are being ruled by the true Kurds and not by Kurdish traitors who work for Islamofascist Turkey and Islamic Arabs. Those areas will be free very soon. Northern Kurdistan is next. We will witness a free independent Great Kurdistan very soon in the near future. Islamofascist Turkey is finished. We defeated Turkey in Kobani and we will defeat Turkey in other Northern Kurdistan cities, like Amed. Turks couldn't even take one very small town from Kurds. And Turkey tried everything! Do you really think they can take our huge cities were live millions of Kurds? POWER to the PEOPLE!

You are now starting to go on my nerphes with your stupid accusation of leaders, you honestly have a huge brain damage if you can't control your emotions and insult every Kurd who is Muslim (basically the majority) or need to create conspiracy theories.
You call Barzani an Islamic leader and insult his tribe, while the Barzan tribe just like all Bahdinis are some of the most recent Yezidi converts and even Mesud Barzani personally admitted and any Yezidi there knows his tribe are very recent Yezidi converts themselves. Mesud Barzanis uncle and brother of Mustafa Barzani himself was a convert to Christianity and one of the biggest leaders of the Barzani tribe. Doesn't sound that Islamist now does it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Barzani

If it wasn't for this "Islamist" leader Shingal would still be under ISIS occupation, he personally send his own sons to the frontier to free Shingal. No one else but his 8000 fighters rescued the people there anyone claiming something else is a liar. if you really believe that is not the case you are less intelligent as you already sound. You are also the only Yezidi I have come across who is that harsh, insulting and brainless to believe anything he hears. Also with your secterian behave you are not serving a Greater Kurdistan. The Yezidi military leader Qasim Shesho, would slap you into the face for these words. What happened in Shingal was a tragedy but similar tragedies happened throughout Kurdish history and even recently in and around Kobani. But beeing that butthurt and claiming it was all planned and Barzani sold it to ISIS because he is Islamist is just too much.

 

[Yetos]

the eternal problem of kurds,

internal division

more than 2,5 milleniums

 

[Goga]

You are now starting to go on my nerphes with your stupid accusation of leaders, you honestly have a huge brain damage if you can't control your emotions and insult every Kurd who is Muslim (basically the majority) or need to create conspiracy theories.
You call Barzani an Islamic leader and insult his tribe, while the Barzan tribe just like all Bahdinis are some of the most recent Yezidi converts and even Mesud Barzani personally admitted and any Yezidi there knows his tribe are very recent Yezidi converts themselves. Mesud Barzanis uncle and brother of Mustafa Barzani himself was a convert to Christianity and one of the biggest leaders of the Barzani tribe. Doesn't sound that Islamist now does it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Barzani

If it wasn't for this "Islamist" leader Shingal would still be under ISIS occupation, he personally send his own sons to the frontier to free Shingal. No one else but his 8000 fighters rescued the people there anyone claiming something else is a liar. if you really believe that is not the case you are less intelligent as you already sound. You are also the only Yezidi I have come across who is that harsh, insulting and brainless to believe anything he hears. Also with your secterian behave you are not serving a Greater Kurdistan. The Yezidi military leader Qasim Shesho, would slap you into the face for these words. What happened in Shingal was a tragedy but similar tragedies happened throughout Kurdish history and even recently in and around Kobani. But beeing that butthurt and claiming it was all planned and Barzani sold it to ISIS because he is Islamist is just too much.

So what that Barzani was an Ezdi Kurd in the past. He is now a PROUD Islamists, he is a traitor NOW! The biggest enemies o all fEzdi Kurds are Badhini Kurds that just became very recently Muslim by force. They are jealous of us Ezdi Kurds, because we were never that weak and accepted an Arabic religion. They've a true identity crisis that's why they want to kill the Ezdi Kurds. They feel very dirty with their Arabic faith.

Also, because of Barzani there is a huge mess in Shengal and Kurdistan in general. Because of hm thousands of Ezdi died. We NEVER forgive him, and he will pay for every Kurdish tear with his blood. There's a vendetta going on, for every Ezdi victimt here will die 10 Muslims. No matter, Kurdish Muslims, Sunni Arabs or Turks. EYE for an EYE. Muslim Sunni Arabs, Mulsim Kurds will pay for every tear, mark my words. The REAL Kurds are awaken!

Barzani the Islamists is a Turk-lover and he is also an Sunni Arab lover. As long he is the leader of South Kurdistan, Kurdistan will never be free and independet, because the great powers never accept an Islamic Kurdish state in heart of the world (MiddleEast).
Because of Barzani Shengal is not liberated yet. Because of him our warriors can't properly fight the Daesh in Shengal. Barzani is helping Daesh in Shengal.

Shengal was never part of South Kurdistan, but Shengal is heart of GREAT Kurdistan. Rojava & Shengal will be free very soon. And it will be all Islam FREE. No Islam in Ezdixan & Rojava. It's now the turn of Northern Kurdistan. The real Kurds (non-Islamist) will defeat Turkey. Turkey is nothing, Turkey couldn’t even take a small Kurdishtown called Kobani. Turks proved that they’'e powerless. Turks are finished andf*cked big time. Arabs CAN'T fight, Turks CAN'T fight. At the end of the day they will be the LOSERS, like Barzani.

Just look how a MUSLIM Kurds sold Ezdi women. he sold his own blood, his own race, his own sisters. Islamists Kurds are lowest of the lowest. They have no dignity, no pride, no feel of homeland. For them Islam is more important than Kurdistan. The REAL Kurds will exterminate the Islamists in Kurdistan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp7X6pVCN1c


No Islam in Ezdixan and no Islam in GREAT Kurdistan! And very soon there will be no Islam in Northern Kurdistan. We will get Barzani later, after we are finished with the Tueks. POWER to the people!

 

[Alan]

With your behave you will not get more than just some slaps left and right from Yezidi leaders personally. Discussion ends here for me.

 

[EBlack]

It's funny how he talks like "we". Talking from Netherlands must be easy. Most islamist peoples at Turkey are always Kurds mostly. You talk like enemy of islam but it just proves you dont know anything about Kurds at Turkey. I can say with regardless Kurds are most Islamic people at Turkey. I can't say for everyone but this is the sad truth. They are mostly uneducated, have 10 childs per woman. Things like this. And you talk like arab enemy too. But only reason why Turkey can be though like middle east country is Kurds either. They got honor kills etc, even European people thinks Turkish people do that thinks.

I really don't like people like you. You can talk shit about Turkey from Europe with free mind. But i wonder if you have ever seen Turkey. Turkey nor Kurd people really doesn't need people like you.

And one last thing; if there will a lot of people like you in Turkey, Kurds will stay uneducated forever ever.


Sorry for my bad English.

 

[Alan]

It must hurt your fascist feelings that people suddenly realize that the Turkish country and unfotunately many of it's people are racist or jihadi.

You can't fool the people. All the world sees is the Turkish government siding with ISIS. And the Turkish ruling party has most of it's support from the Turkish majority which is simply logical for anyone who is not stupid. Otherwise they wouldn't even end up as the ruling party anyways.

You seem like to try to convince the people that the Islamic party in Turkey is ruling because of the Kurdish minority, which simply again is a proof of Turkish ultrafascistic human hating view many Turks possess.

in the last elections in only 6 out of 17 pred. Kurdish provinces the ruling party could get a victory. the Rest of the 11 provinces went into the hands of the BDP/HDP. The BDP/HDP is the party in Turkey with the highest rate of female parliament members. Even so before the wannabe "secular" kemalist CHP.

Among the parties, women comprise 30.5 percent of the parliamentary club of Kurdish nationalist Peace and Democracy Party, or BDP, followed by main opposition Republican People’s Party, or CHP, ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, and opposition Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, which have 14, 13.8, and 5.6 percent women, respectively, in their parliamentary clubs.

As for contrast the Turkish AKP won in 45 out of 65 pred. Turkish provinces. But yeah of course we Kurds are the "fanatics". And support the same ISIS who we are actually fighting.
Don't confuse conservative religious people with religious fanatic ISIS supporting members which all of us know who they are if even it's government supports them.

But even more shoking it gets when we take a look at the rest of the 20 Provinces. which all of them either voted for the ultrafascistic right wing MHP (which was involved in a raping scandal recently and is known for fascistic lynch attacks on Kurdish students).

http://manset.at/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/seçim-2014-itirazlari-2014.jpg

and the wannabe "secular" kemalistic group who are responsible for the massacre on Greek Cypriots and are also well known for fascistic attacks on other helpless people just like recently the attack on the US Soldiers in Istanbul or even ordinary American citizens in Bodrum.

I can't say for everyone but this is the sad truth.

The sad trurth is that you are a butthurt Turkish fascist who is making up nonsense in the believe that this all has even any value for the independence movement of Kurds. If Kurds should have no country, because they are "not educated and make on average 10" so shouldn't 2/3 of the world. Especially not Turkey where the people are with Jihadists and harrasment on women is on daily basis.

They are mostly uneducated.

Yes, thats true but on what scale does this prove anything beside that the Turkish government and Turkish state has never done enough for it's Kurdish population in comparison to other provinces.

It is also true that the Kurdish provinces are the most underdeveloped in all of Turkey and still to this day get the least share of the countries budget. Let's take a look which provinces in Turkey have the highest percentage of poverty.

have 10 childs per woman.

Give me a statistic which says Kurds on average have 10 Children.

It is true with poverty comes more children, but I have never heard a statistic speak about 10 Children. Only statistics talk about 4.

According to Turkish government statistics, the average Kurdish woman in Turkey gives birth to about four children, more than double the rate for other Turkish mothers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/kurdish-majority-turkey-within-one-generation-705466

But don't worry with economical stability even Kurdish birthrate sinks in what you favor. But still is big enough for me.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/08052014
In Kurdistan, Birth Rates Lower than in Rest of Iraq

Iraq is still cranking out more babies than the rest of the world. Iraqi women have 4.5 children, compared to a global average of 2.5, as reported by a 2011 Unicef survey. This is the second-highest fertility rate in Western Asia, where only Yemeni women are having more children.


Within Iraq, women in the Kurdistan Region have a lower average (3.1). The most populous governorate, Sulaimani, has the smallest fertility rate by far (2.3), while women in the northern Dohuk region have the most children (3.9).

But nice try. And another prime example of Turkish insecureness and thinking that "everything more typical Western = good". The West has a birth rate problem and want's a rise in this too. Having less children is not a "goal" someone should be looking for.

But this is again very typical of many Turks and Turkey. They think "secularism" is defined by birth rate. Turkish wannabe seculars are quick in copying things from West when it fits their fascistic view like laizism and which Europeans want to actually get rid off. And they think with this they will be automatically viewed as more "secular, liberal or democrat, western". How about you first start to give native minorities the same rights Europeans give foreign minorities? How about you first get rid of your ultra_fascistic sentiments and give any people of differen't religious background the same rights? "secularism" doesn't start with clothing in Western fashion and brag about low birth rate.

If you think low birthrate is something preferable than this is your opinion. I prefer a birthrate of 3 over a birthrate 1.5.

Turkey nor Kurd people really doesn't need people like you.

I see, first you insult the Kurds and now you want to talk in behalf of them.


You don't need to excuse for your "bad english" all you need to do is to excuse for your stupidness and lies you try to spred hear, but this won't help you. We already had quite a few Turkish members who spred allot of the same nonsense. Iff you keep on that track it won't be a too long time for you at this board.

 

[EBlack]

I really did not want to read after i read "fascist". This what usualy fanatic Kurds says at Turkey when you go against with them. I will just answer simply. I argue with people like you a lot here. Because i supported Kurd movement a lot, went a lot of protest, there was a lot of fanatic people like you. And if you ask to me, i gladly (be sure), gladly accept them to go their lands, form their country etc.
(edit here)I know they say AKP is supporting ISIS, I don't want to believe this.

We defeated Turkey in Kobani and we will defeat Turkey in other Northern Kurdistan cities, like Amed. Turks couldn't even take one very small town from Kurds. And Turkey tried everything! Do you really think they can take our huge cities were live millions of Kurds? POWER to the PEOPLE!

What is this guy really saying with his all heart? Can you fight with your all heart too? Just come. Kurdish army wants you!

I was just angry back then, because it seems really ridicilous to me when someone writes some things at Europe like we will rebuild, we will kill all Arabs and Turks, we will do whateverwhatever. Yea dude, come and live here. At 1 hour you will just understand you can't form a shit at Turkey. I'm really sick of arguing this. And when it comes to politic, its not really my favourite at English.

First of all, I don't have any politics group. And voted for Kurdish Party at last election. Fascist, eh?
Second of all, Turkey "can't" make better Eastern sides of Turkey. Because people usualy doesn't want to go there, because of war killings. I did not say even "terror" eh?
Third of all, 10 childiren issue, You didn't heard about this sure, but i see this in everyday
Fourht of all , I don't care about Turkeys economic, but just want to live better. There is a reason behind why Erdogan sayed make 3 childrens, you know? It would be just distopia, if this places will be all Kurdish, looking to women harsly with their "apaçi hairstlyes". Yet i don't say they are bad people. Their culture is different i'm saying.

Yet i wrote this things, but i really didn't want to write. You say to people who argue with you "fascist" a lot. Yet you are just doing same things.

you are a butthurt Turkish fascist

Funny. Çave başe.

 

[Alan]

I really did not want to read after i read "fascist". This what usualy fanatic Kurds says at Turkey when you go against with them.

You actually insulted the Kurds collectively as backward, 10 child having, religious fanatics (Kurds who actually fight against ISIS). All debunked lies. How much more fascist can it get? Do you really believe you can fool us?

I don't call people fascists who don't act as such but your tendency towards this is strong. One of the prime examples of a Turk who I respect and love more than many Kurds is Ismail Besikci.





I

will just answer simply. I argue with people like you a lot here. Because i supported Kurd movement a lot,

Sure you do that. And Hitler actually wanted to deport the Jews to Madascar because he felt they need a country of their own.

went a lot of protest, there was a lot of fanatic people like you.

Sure I am the fanatic.

And if you ask to me, i gladly (be sure), gladly accept them to go their lands, from their country etc.

Good one out of too many who do not support the idea of a Kurdish country
We need actions not talk.

(edit here)I know they say AKP is supporting ISIS, I don't want to believe this.

I don't care if you believe it or not. There are 100% proofs that they did and still do. Even British PM said that. And everyone was witness during the clashes of Kobani. So once again you can't fool anyone here.

 

[EBlack]

You need action, but you won't get any. Just keep talking hard at forums. I'm sure someday you will get back to your country as Doctor. Your arguing way is just funny. I'm %100 sure, i did more than you do for Kurd movement.
And if you think saying 10 children, religiously fanatic thinks are insulting, you really don't know a lot things. It just naturaly comes when you have low education. My parents are from Kars. (if you don't know city at eastern side of Turkey, which it should be at Kurdistan they say.) My father had 2 brother, 4 sister. Same goes for my mother too. From your perspective i insulted my own family. Yea, good luck with that thoughs. Im glad now that Kurdish Party at Turkey just understood they should hug all Turkey, not just Kurds like you.

 

[Sile]

i am ashamed of using Kurds to fight our battles and still not give them or recognise them as a nation....we are users

 

[LeBrok]

You need action, but you won't get any. Just keep talking hard at forums. I'm sure someday you will get back to your country as Doctor. Your arguing way is just funny. I'm %100 sure, i did more than you do for Kurd movement.
And if you think saying 10 children, religiously fanatic thinks are insulting, you really don't know a lot things. It just naturaly comes when you have low education. My parents are from Kars. (if you don't know city at eastern side of Turkey, which it should be at Kurdistan they say.) My father had 2 brother, 4 sister. Same goes for my mother too. From your perspective i insulted my own family. Yea, good luck with that thoughs. Im glad now that Kurdish Party at Turkey just understood they should hug all Turkey, not just Kurds like you.

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