Free and independent Kurdistan is coming soon.

[DejaVu]

Snowden have already explained who is behind ISIS.
Just search snowden isis.
Cant tell you because eupedia will delete my info.

 

[Alan]

Snowden have already explained who is behind ISIS.
Just search snowden isis.
Cant tell you because eupedia will delete my info.

Snowden never "explained" who is behind ISIS. It was Iranian sources who claimed Snowden said that. But not even Russian sources confirmed this nonsense. So how could Iranian news agencies know about something not even Russian once have heard?

@Goga you are beeing disrespectfull towards 80% of Kurdish population.

 

[Goga]

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[Garrick]

seems like Jihadists return to Europe through Turkey

It is interesting that there is Turkish link.

Turkey is a secular democratic state, it has made great economic and social progress.

It would be good that nobody longer thinks about former Ottoman Empire which, among other territories, held one part of Europe.

Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs filed the biggest victims during Ottoman rule in Europe, about 500 years.

These peoples had enormous pain and suffering with great sacrifices during 5 centuries as non-Muslims under Sharia law.

They could massively covert to Islam, as any another Balkan nations did who they became spearhead of Ottomans, and then it would be a lot more pressure on the peoples of North and probably much larger part of Europe would be islamized.

These brave peoples are true guardians and heroes of Europe, although the rest of Europe has very rarely spoke the words of praise.

Today how to blow some new retrograde winds.

Headlines:

Turkish PM Speech Stirs Controversy on Balkans


Erdogan wants Western Thrace with Thesaaloniki

http://www.protothema.gr/news-in-en...dogan-wants-eastern-thrace-with-thessaloniki/

Erdogan: 'Kosovo is Turkey'

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/10/erdogan-kosovo-turkey.html


Erdogan's statements for the Balkans that may cause reactions

http://www.balkaneu.com/erdogans-statements-balkans-reactions/

"Thrace has a special importance and meaning for us. Thrace is at same time, Thessaloniki, Komotini, Xanthi, Deliorman, Vardar, Kircaali, ad if we go further back in time, Thrace at the same time Skopje, Prizren, Sarajevo".

(Prime minister Erdogan talk about Balkan areas held by Ottoman empire and liberated by Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs).

etc

...

Is this invocation an a new Ottoman entry in the Balkans, Neo-Ottoman rule and Sharia law for Balkan non-muslims?

Maybe no or yes, but how these words can be understood?

 

[ΠΑΝΑΞ]

I think also that "today's big problem is -Isis. The battle for us, is to give against fanaticism and poverty which gives birth naturally, together all balkans and with Turkey, which is drowning in the fishnet of its own foreign policy. I hope soon the Kurdish people to gain independence.@Garick, ''in union we stand'', right, bright and clear!

 

[Yetos]

the last news from middle east give Kombane or Ayn al-Arab, seems to be different than we think,

It seems we live either the madness, either we are all dreamers, either Obama is a Jihadist supporter, either the target is Assand and the kurds are victims,

Turkish Tanks have been photoed (It may be is a montage), No Airstrikes, full of tanks and heavy artillery the IS, no guns till now to Kurds, although promised a lot,

something silent is under the table there,

the last exchange of 180 Jihadists for 46 Turks prisoners took place,

some photoes, are not mine, they can be photo montage but I doupt,

http://twitter.com/No2ISIS/status/519081158902951937/photo/1

http://twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/517524540109639680/photo/1

http://www.tribune.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/KOBANE-LIVE-630x400.jpg


I repeat, this are news, some might be fictional as in many cases, some not and can be truth,
truth is that no air strikes last days,
no guns to Kurds as promised, yet,
tanks and artillery in IS possesion,
strange playing roll by Turkey,

 

[Yetos]

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[Ua'Ronain]

This all goes back to Turkey and ISIS and it is boiling over in the streets of Turkey to Europe as Turkish inaction to to adress a massacre in the making in Kobani as ISIS advances through the city after the 3 week siege. The fact that the outlawed PKK and thier allies in Syria the YPG have done more to stop ISIS than a NATO member country with the second largest standing army in NATO speaks volumes about the character of the Kurdish people and that perhaps we allied ourselves to the wrong people in the region as Turkey has consistently snubbed NATO and international pressure to stop a massacre on its doorstep as well as Turkeys history of not aiding NATO allies in military operations in the last 20 years. (outside of Libya where they had an interest in supporting the brotherhood allied opposition)

We live in a bizzaro world where our NATO ally does nothing to stop the most bloodthirsty terror organization in the middle east and those we call terrorists fight ISIS and have worked to protect minorities of every stripe. Even when we acted to strike ISIS because of the plight of the yazidis on Mt. Sinjar it was long after the YPG had moved from Syria to create a safe passage for those trapped on the mountain and escorted/protected thousands of them to safety before Washington lifted a finger. This Turkish inaction threatens to unravel the PKK peace process that was trying to put an end to the 30 year conflict in Turkey with the PKK.

But even as there is a growing media backing for the PKK, YPG and the KGR in Iraq western states at the highest level are refusing to support many of them because of the terrorist label and because of Turkeys billing as a NATO ally and friend in the region.

Just because the official stance has not changed does not mean that there has not been growing tension and friction between the United States and Turkey over the last decade that could indeed force a change in strategic thinking and lead to a reassessment of who really our our friends in the region.



http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/08102014 (Kurdish Media) Article on the repercussions of Turkish inaction to stop ISIS and how it could derail the peace process with the PKK (Kurdish media)

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3832834621001/is-turkey-really-a-us-ally/#sp=show-clips News Clip from right leaning fox news about Turkey and if they are really an ally (American media)

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...k-turkey-out-of-nato-111734.html#.VDloURb0Uus Article from centrist Politico (American Media) About kicking Turkey out of nato and the many reasons for doing so.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/07/opinion/barfi-kurds-isis/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook Article from CNN a left leaning new source (American news)


There is an important and growing discussion in the United States being played out on the media about if Turkey is really an ally of the west and calls for Turkey to be kicked out of nato and this is important as Turkey is the main barrier to the creation of any independent Kurdish states outside of Iraq.

If anyone happens to follow the petitions on the white house website recently one of the mosy popular petitions is for the support of an Independent Kurdistan.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/support-kurdish-independence/wk7K9SSp (there is still no official responce from the President about this popular petition)

Sadly the whitehouse recently closed the petition that was for supporting removing the PKK as being listed as a terrorist organization but oddly left the petition open that was created about officialy arming YPG units in Syria that are fighting ISIS who happen to be allied with the outlawed Turkish PPK movement.

In related news is the lack of a responce to the most popular petition without a whitehouse responce is calling for listing the Muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organization. this is important because the current leadership in Turkey the Justice and Development Party (AKP)

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...herhood-organization-terrorist-group/zGxCQ55g



There has been movement in Europe for the removal of PKK on the terror list in governments as well. Some examples are....

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/10062014 (Kurdish media)

EU Turkey Civic Commission (EUTCC), an organization that monitors Turkey's compliance with rules for EU entry, supports removing the PKK from the terror list. Since 2004, it has organized 11 international conferences in the European Parliament, and PKK’s name on the terror list has been a topic each time.

Also mentioned in the article is that in 2008, The Luxembourg-based Court of First Instance decided that the group should be removed from the EU list, because it was illegal under EU law. The ruling changed nothing, and the PKK remained on the list.



The following are links to media sites that I do not know where they side on the political spectrum or what nation they are based in.

http://www.todayszaman.com/_west-mu...-terrorist-group-despite-concerns_357204.html (unknown ideaology and origin)

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/121006/removing-pkk-from-terror-list-out-of-question-eu (unknown ideology and origin)

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...akes-Brotherhood-s-Islamic-partners-in-Turkey Article (Christian Media) **I am weary of this media organization so take everything with a grain of salt** Article about Turkeys links to the Muslim brotherhood government that for a short time ruled Egypt and how the AKP identify with them strongly.

Snippet taken directly from the above article: One sign of the close links between Ankara and Cairo is that the Morsi government chose to bypass Egypt’s official news media and struck a deal instead with Turkey’s state-run Anadolu News Agency to release all official statements in Egypt.

Another snippet from above article: Since Morsi’s fall, the Turkish news agency has live-streamed only pro-Morsi rallies. AKP officials have organized pro-Morsi rallies in Turkey, and some supporters have used Morsi’s photo on their Twitter account handles.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/per...relationship-with-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html (english language Al Arabiya Media) About Turkey defending the Muslim Brotherhood government of Morsi in Egypt. Included are allegations of supporting the brotherhood with activists and weapons. Also included was the news about the Turkish Intelligence officer Irshad Hoz who was arrested in Egypt. ,

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkey-welcome-seven-muslim-brotherhood-exiles-qatar-1465700 (UK Media) Article about Turkey accepting Muslim Brotherhood exiles

 

[Ua'Ronain]

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/10/09/violent-protests-kurdish-isis-supporters-erupt-streets-hamburg (Right Leaning American Media) Police in the northern German city of Hamburg say 14 people were injured overnight in clashes between Kurdish protesters and members of a hard-line Islamic movemen

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29530640 (BBC News UK Media) Article Snippet: 19 dead in Turkish Protests; Riot police used tear gas and water cannon in a number of towns and cities as the disturbances spread across the country, including Ankara and Istanbul. Curfews have now been imposed in several cities in south-eastern Turkey with large Kurdish populations. The unrest has spread to over 30 cities in Turkey.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-...-areas-of-syrian-town-despite-air-str/5803544 (Left leaning American Media ABC News) Linked to fill out more information such as: The violence has prompted curfews to be imposed in five south-eastern provinces, restrictions unseen since the height of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) war against Turkish forces in the 1990s.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/world/middleeast/isis-syria-coalition-strikes.html?_r=0 (left leaning American Media the New York Times) Turkish Inaction on ISIS Advance Dismays the U.S.

http://www.voanews.com/content/voa-exclusive-turkish-troops-fire-on-kurdish-protesters/2480286.html (American media Voice of America) Turkish forces open fire on Syrian and Turkish Kurds. Snippet: The Syrian Kurdish protesters were joined in the open buffer zone by Kurds from Nusaybin on the Turkish side of the border. Kurds consider the two cities to be one with the border running down the middle of it.

The two groups joined together in pulling down the wire fences that separated their cities. Turkish sources claim the Syrian Kurds opened fire on the Yurkish Soldiers first but media present said there were no signs of guns among the protesters.

(that is right Turkey wont fire at ISIS but they will fire at Kurds attempting to get relief to kobani!)

And finally the most telling piece from the article is this: Friday, the U.N. envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, urged Turkey to let "volunteers" [Kurds] cross the border to reinforce Kurdish militias defending Kobani against Islamic State militants. He warned that 700 civilians who remain trapped in Kobani, plus about 12,000 gathered nearby, will most likely be "massacred" if the city falls to the Islamist.

Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday he will not give into street protesters demanding his government do more to protect Kurds.

 

[LeBrok]

Very interesting, thanks Ua'Ronian.

 

[Garrick]

Very interesting, thanks Ua'Ronian.

Key question is to whom Turkey supports.

[h=1]Turkey Waits, Watches as ISIS Pushes Toward Border
[/h]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/turkey-waits-watches-isis-pushes-toward-border-n220401

[h=1]ISIS, Turkey's tool for re-establishing caliphate[/h]http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/isis-turkeys-tool-for-re-establishing-caliphate/

[h=1]Secret ISIS ally Turkey ‘welcomes’ Egypt Muslim Brotherhood figures who leave Qatar[/h]http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...t-muslim-brotherhood-figures-who-leave-qatar/

Etc., who wants can finds many different sources.

 

[Goga]

Turkye is NOTHING. Turkye is a puppet state of America. The US created ISIS, but Turks hijacked their plan and wanted to use ISIS for their own purposes, to kill the Kurds. This plan is backfiring at them. The US NEVER supported independent Great Kurdistan. PKK is still not accepted in the US. It's not in the US interest to have strong states in the Middle East. The US is against a strong Great Kurdistan. The biggest enemy of Kurdish state is the USA. The US is only after the Kurdish oil. What is happening in Kobani is all due to the US policy. The US NEVER supported the Kurdish race. That's why I'm not saying that the US betrayed Kurdish race, because Americans NEVER promised us anything. The positive thing is that 50 MILLION Kurds will destroy American interests in the Middle East. We Kurds will never forget what the US did to Kurds. As long as a Kurdish race exists we will always be allies of Russia. Together with Russia, Persia, China as long as Kurds and Kurdistan to exists we will fight the American plight. With help of Persia and Russia, 50 MILLION Kurds will destroy Turkye and the Turks. Kurdish oil will be for people of Kurdistan. We will sell it to Argentina, Brazil, China, India etc. of course with the help of Russia and Persia. As you know I was always a PAN-ARYANIST (pan-Iranist) and at last the real Aryans, the Kurds (Medes) and Persians will be united again. Persia, Kurdistan, Russia and China will be a VERY strong global alliance/voice against the American so called democracy, sorry I mean American plight: the imperialism!

 

[Goga]

Erdogan is doing everything what the US is dictating to him. It's the US that fights Kurds in Rojava (Western Kurdistan). Erdogan is not a real smart fella, lol. With his low IQ he thought to outsmart the US and wanted to use ISIS for his own purposes. But his plans are backfiring at him. You shouldn't play games and use the Kurds for your own agenda. When you play with fire you must expect that you will burn by fire. And Erdogan, Istanbul, Ankara and the whole Turkye will BURN!

 

[Ua'Ronain]

Goga, you need to calm down a bit. Turkey is not America's lap dog. They have not helped us in any major NATO conflicts in a combat role. We are not fighting the Kurds in Syria, we are attacking ISIS. There is a lot of anger in

the west with Turkey and who knows what will happen. But the best chances of Kurdistan becoming real would be a break up between the USA and Turkey. You then go off and spout about Persia being a friend of Kurdistan!!!! Are

you out of your mind!? Iran suppresses the Kurdish people in Iran... The Kurds biggest issue with freedom is NOT the USA but Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Iran and themselves from all the constant infighting!

You are such a bad represenative of the Kurdish people that I really do hope they ban you from these forums. or perhaps it is I that should look for a different forum that does not tolerate this kind of childish and uneducated

behabiour.

I really like the part about where you say Russia has been a friend of the Kurds! Have you ever heard of a history book?

You are just plain wrong about many things and it is obvious that you believe many conspiracy theories without trying to research them.

We did not create ISIS directly. But the USA along with many other states did play a part in the rise of ISIS.

But go ahead and spout your hate speech about everyone and drive people like myself who are sympathetic to the Kurdish cause away.

 

[Goga]

I'm a Kurd. I'm for FREE independent Great Kurdistan. I'm Kurdistan and I'm PKK! PKK = FREE GREAT KURDISTAN! The US is the biggest threat/enemy of PKK! America is not and never was a friend of the real Kurds, the PKK. It's America that is waging a war against the Kurds/PKK! America created ISIS, not Turkye.
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[Goga]

Once again, I'm not anti-America. It's America that is anti-Kurdistan, anti-Kurd and anti-PKK. What is happening in Rojava is an eye-opener! From now on we know who is our enemy and who is our ally. Russia, Persia are our allies. And we will never forget this! As long as Russia exists 50 million Kurds and Kurdistan should be happy to have such a great ally.

 

[Ua'Ronain]

Once again, I'm not anti-America. It's America that is anti-Kurdistan, anti-Kurd and anti-PKK. What is happening in Rojava is an eye-opener! From now on we know who is our enemy and who is our ally. Russia, Persia are our allies. And we will never forget this! As long as Russia exists Kurds and Kurdistan should happy to have such a great ally.

For a Kurd you know surprisingly little about Kurdish politics with respect to iran (who you call persia) here let me copy and paste some news here for you to read... you can read right?

perhaps you can explain your lack of understanding of PJAK and claim to be PKK when PJAK is an OFFSHOOT of the PKK!

PJAK is part of the Koma Civaken Kurdistan (KCK - Kurdistan Democratic Confederation) headed by PKK General Murat Karayilan and is generally considered to be an integral part of its umbrella organization. The movement admits it

has relations with the PKK and recognizes imprisoned PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan as its own supreme leader and according to the U.S. Treasury Department, PJAK is controlled by the PKK and has Turkish Kurds

in its ranks.

As recently as 2008 there was a joint counter-terrorism effort between Turkey, Syria and Iran to target the PKK.... The syrian crisis in 2011 is what ended this joint operation.

You should look into the assassinations of Kurdish leaders at the hand of your friends the persians!

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iran/23012014

BARCELONA, Spain – Among Kurdish groups fighting for greater rights from Middle Eastern governments, the Free Life Party of Kurdistan (PJAK) in Iran remains an anomaly: It is the only one still waging an armed struggle.


That may be because, while Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iraq have gained some rights or autonomy, in Iran they have made little progress: Iran’s Kurdish regions remain among the country’s poorest and least developed, and the

Islamic Republic executed Kurdish activists as recently as November.

“Iranian Kurds are profoundly repressed and have few opportunities for political or cultural expression,” noted Vera Eccarius-Kelly, a researcher on Kurdish Diaspora politics and professor of comparative politics at Siena College in New York state.


And a report from the humans rights watch for you to read as well...

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2009/01/08/iran-freedom-expression-and-association-kurdish-regions-0

 

[Goga]

Americans don't recognise Kurds, Kurdistan and the PKK. Why should we Kurds go into war against Persia for Israel and the US? Nobody is going to use Kurds for their own purposes ever again. Those times are gone! Americans and other enemies tried to wage a distance between Kurds and Persians. They tried to make Kurds and Persians enemies of each other. While in reality Persians are our 'racial' & ethnic brothers. Kurds and Persians do belong to the same race. We are both 'Iranic'. I would rather become a Persian than an Arab or a Turk. At least Persian and Kurdish language have the same roots. The only thing I don't like about Persians is that they’re Muslims (Shia). But it's ok, I’m sure that that foreign Arab religion will become less and less important in Persia and Kurdistan as time goes by. Btw, we're witnessing the beginning of the World War 3. Russia and Persia will never let Assad go. If Assad is overthrown, Russia will make an entry in the conflict in the Middle East. Russia supports the PKK! Russia and Persia will gladly support the Kurds (PKK) against the Turkye. Russia and Persia NEVER liked the Turks. And when Russia makes it entry it will be too late and the gates of hell will be opened, not only in the Middle East, but EVERYWHERE! We're at the beginning of the WW3 !!!

 

[Diocletian]

This all goes back to Turkey and ISIS and it is boiling over in the streets of Turkey to Europe as Turkish inaction to to adress a massacre in the making in Kobani as ISIS advances through the city after the 3 week siege. The fact that the outlawed PKK and thier allies in Syria the YPG have done more to stop ISIS than a NATO member country with the second largest standing army in NATO speaks volumes about the character of the Kurdish people and that perhaps we allied ourselves to the wrong people in the region as Turkey has consistently snubbed NATO and international pressure to stop a massacre on its doorstep as well as Turkeys history of not aiding NATO allies in military operations in the last 20 years. (outside of Libya where they had an interest in supporting the brotherhood allied opposition)

Why do you expect Turkey to intervene? Turkey is not responsible for the existence of IS, but you are. It is your fault, that's what happens when you aid Taliban against commies in Afghanistan, and bring democracy to a stable geography under control. You overthrew Gaddafi, who had done great many things for his country, and then you supported Muslim Brotherhood. Free Syrian Army and ISIS were radical Islamist offshoots in the region, who fought together at the time against Assad. You supported them too. Your main aim was to have threats against Iran, Assad and Russia. Turkish foreign policy was no more than what a "NATO ally" would do. Now, IS got out of control. Turkey's national interests are, primarily, in overthrowing Assad and dissolution of PKK. So, as an "ally", you are not really eager to help Turkey get rid of Assad. I appreciate that, though. Assad should not be overthrown. Otherwise, there will be no one to watch over Alawites in the region.

Besides, in the last 20 years, you didn't help us deal with PKK, since Kurds have been quite employable for you.

We live in a bizzaro world where our NATO ally does nothing to stop the most bloodthirsty terror organization in the middle east and those we call terrorists fight ISIS and have worked to protect minorities of every stripe.

Turkey has no obligation to clean up after the US. Why won't you arrange a ground offensive, again?

Even when we acted to strike ISIS because of the plight of the yazidis on Mt. Sinjar it was long after the YPG had moved from Syria to create a safe passage for those trapped on the mountain and escorted/protected thousands of them to safety before Washington lifted a finger. This Turkish inaction threatens to unravel the PKK peace process that was trying to put an end to the 30 year conflict in Turkey with the PKK.

Are you aware that Syria is a country? How could Turkey trespass the borders of another country? That would mean war. It is silly to get in war with Syria and lose thousands of soldiers abroad.

But even as there is a growing media backing for the PKK, YPG and the KGR in Iraq western states at the highest level are refusing to support many of them because of the terrorist label and because of Turkeys billing as a NATO ally and friend in the region.

They are terrorists. Period. Only fools would support one terrorist group over another. Terrorists are fighting against each other, and you expect a NATO ally to intervene in the favor of the terrorist group that you hold dearer. Funny.

Just because the official stance has not changed does not mean that there has not been growing tension and friction between the United States and Turkey over the last decade that could indeed force a change in strategic thinking and lead to a reassessment of who really our our friends in the region.

Like I said, Kurd have been very employable for you. That's why you have always supported PKK under the counter. An independent Kurdistan would be a good ally for you. Maybe we should consider our relationship with Russia.

Key question is to whom Turkey supports.

Turkey is against Assad and PKK. Turkey has had helped ISIS along with the US in terms of ammunition and logistics. Maybe that would help you figure out whom Turkey supports.

Turkye is NOTHING. Turkye is a puppet state of America.

Just like Kurds are.

The US created ISIS, but Turks hijacked their plan and wanted to use ISIS for their own purposes, to kill the Kurds.

True.

This plan is backfiring at them. The US NEVER supported independent Great Kurdistan.

Wrong. They didn't support Turkey to get rid of PKK. And that means, they indirectly helped you.

PKK is still not accepted in the US. It's not in the US interest to have strong states in the Middle East. The US is against a strong Great Kurdistan. The biggest enemy of Kurdish state is the USA.

PKK is a terrorist, separatist, illegal organization. It would be shameful for the US to remove such an organization from their list of terrorist organizations.

If the US is your enemy, why do you expect help from them?

https://twitter.com/WestKurdistan/status/512146338067521536

The US is only after the Kurdish oil. What is happening in Kobani is all due to the US policy. The US NEVER supported the Kurdish race. That's why I'm not saying that the US betrayed Kurdish race, because Americans NEVER promised us anything.

It's very funny that you beg support from the US, and the anti-imperialist leftists in Turkey support the Kurdish cause. Human stupidity.

The positive thing is that 50 MILLION Kurds will destroy American interests in the Middle East. We Kurds will never forget what the US did to Kurds. As long as a Kurdish race exists we will always be allies of Russia. Together with Russia, Persia, China as long as Kurds and Kurdistan to exists we will fight the American plight.

Don't be so hard on Americans, man. They think Turkey is no longer an ally in the region, and they hope to see the Kurds as allies. Now, you say this. Don't you predict how sad the consequences will be for them in the end? Russia seems to be a great superpower to be friends with. US is not cool anymore.

With help of Persia and Russia, 50 MILLION Kurds will destroy Turkye and the Turks. Kurdish oil will be for people of Kurdistan. We will sell it to Argentina, Brazil, China, India etc. of course with the help of Russia and Persia. As you know I was always a PAN-ARYANIST (pan-Iranist) and at last the real Aryans, the Kurds (Medes) and Persians will be united again. Persia, Kurdistan, Russia and China will be a VERY strong global alliance/voice against the American so called democracy, sorry I mean American plight: the imperialism!

Let me tell you something, Russia ain't give a shit about Kurdistan. You owe a lot to the US. Your cause would never be this strong if the US and Israel didn't help you. Currently, they are thinking that PKK gains legitimacy, since they fight ISIS. You shouldn't backstab Americans at the moment.

Erdogan is doing everything what the US is dictating to him. It's the US that fights Kurds in Rojava (Western Kurdistan). Erdogan is not a real smart fella, lol. With his low IQ he thought to outsmart the US and wanted to use ISIS for his own purposes. But his plans are backfiring at him. You shouldn't play games and use the Kurds for your own agenda. When you play with fire you must expect that you will burn by fire. And Erdogan, Istanbul, Ankara and the whole Turkye will BURN!

Look over here, I've got something appropriate. :cool-v:

 

[Goga]

I'm a Kurd. I support an independent Great Kurdistan. PKK are FREEDOM fighters that do also support independent Great Kurdistan. According to you Turks, everyone that supports an independent free Great Kurdistan is PKK. Well, I'll tell you something: I'm PKK. According to Russia PKK are freedom fighters. Erdogan is doing exactly what America is dictating to him. PKK is NOT a puppet of the US. PKK is FREE of the US influence.

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