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The Celts of Iberia

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Taranis said:
zanipolo said:
What? None of that makes sense. You're mixing up the languages spoken on the Iberian penninsula in Antiquity (Celtiberian, Iberian) with modern languages/dialects.
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pardon?

everyone knows galician is related to celti-iberian

http://www.celticattic.com/contact_us/the_celts/celtic_nations/galicia.htm

even in roman doctrine, hannibal was replished by celtic men from galicia in Spain. If they did not speak celtic-iberian , then explain who did?


http://www4.uwm.edu/celtic/ekeltoi/volumes/vol6/6_20/alberro_6_20.pdf
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For Adn mitocondrial what connection can be between the Celts of the Iberian peninsula and those of Scotland?
 
I've been reading so many different things that I missed a bit in my thinking about Galician history.

It was my understanding that first came the called "oestrimios", a protocelt indoeuropean culture, among other things related to the ,egalithic European, with an arcaic or protocelta language and culture, then, after came the Halsttat celts (Saefes and Draganos) that despite found a fairly populated country, they contributed with mentioned culture, which was given relatively easy, despite their smaller number, because a possible cultural affinity for the common indoeuropean origin.

In my view this is the theory that best explains most of unknowns (phenotypic, commercial, archaeological and cultural)

I am so wrong?

P.D: Sorry for my English. :embarassed:
 
Taranis said:
In "Southwestern France"? The only area where Iberians lived in France was the approximate area of the Roussillion. In the actual southwest (the area sandwiched between the Pyrenees and the Garronne), Aquitanian (also called Old Basque) was spoken. Explain to me why Iberian language inscriptions have been only found in the east of the Iberian penninsula, in an arc stretching from Catalonia to eastern Andalusia?



I disagree. Even in modern France, there is A LOT of Gaulish-derived place names all across France, which are reflections of Gaulish tribal names:

Amiens - Ambiani
Arras - Atrebates
Auvergne - Arverni
Bayeux - Baiocasses
Chartres - Carnutes
Chorges - Caturiges
Évreux - Eburovices
Langres - Lingones
Le Mans - Cenomani
Limoges - Lemovices
Lisieux - Lexovii
Metz - Mediomatrici
Nantes - Namnetes
Paris - Parisii
Poitiers - Pictones
Puy-en-Velay - Vellavi
Rennes - Redones
Reims - Remi
Saintes - Santones
Sens - Senones
Tours - Turones
Vannes - Veneti

If you go back to the Roman period, you will see how a lot of Gaulish town names were already latinized. For instance, "Mediolanon" became "Mediolanum".

Also, how could anybody come up with the idea that Hunnic culture would be dominant? I don't see how that would work out, given how the Huns left close to no linguistic traces. It's clear that you just randomly made that up without giving it much of a thought. This isn't an "onomastic obssesion".



Frankly, I get the impression you declare it to be a minority in the region because you have a pre-fixed opinion. Also, the existence of the Lusitanians alone is evidence that the Celts weren't the first Indo-Europeans in the Atlantic region.



Basques, possibly yes. Iberians, no. Also, there are so plenty of Celtic place names in northern Portugal and Spain. How do you else explain place names like these:

Brigantium
Caladunum
Diobriga
Mediolanum
Nemetobriga
Nertobriga
Segisamum
Segobriga
Vendelia
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Of all those names the only name I can recognize as Galician is Brigantium, probably ancient name of Betanzos (little and beautiful city near from A Coruña). Breogán, son of Brath, was a mythical celtic king, maybe founder of Brigantium.
The other names I had never heard before and I was born in Galicia and I have always lived in Galicia.
If I am not wrong, Mediolanum is a latin name, the ancient name of Milan.
 
Ferreiro_ said:
Of all those names the only name I can recognize as Galician is Brigantium, probably ancient name of Betanzos (little and beautiful city near from A Coruña). Breogán, son of Brath, was a mythical celtic king, maybe founder of Brigantium.
The other names I had never heard before and I was born in Galicia and I have always lived in Galicia.
If I am not wrong, Mediolanum is a latin name, the ancient name of Milan.
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"Mediolanum" is latinized, but Celtic in etymology (in Gaulish, it would be "Mediolanon", meaning "middle plain" or "middle plaza". Cognates for Gaulish "lanon" exist in Old Irish ("Lann" - meaning "thin", "plate" or "layer") and Welsh ("Llan" - meaning "parish" or "yard"). If the word was Latin, it would be "Medioplanum".

Also, yes, one Mediolanum was modern-day Milano. But, such places existed across the Celtic-speaking world:

- Mediolanum of the Santones in Gaul (modern-day Saintes)
- Mediolanum of the Aulerci Eburovices, also in Gaul (modern-day Evreux)

In addition, Ptolemy lists two places named "Mediolanum" in Germania:
- one was located probably along the Morava river, near the place it mounts in the Danube.
- the other one was located at the right-bank of the Rhine, in an area that roughly corresponds with the modern-day northwestern Ruhr Area (I've seen people claimed that the town Borken is at the site of Mediolanum, but in my opinion, that is a guess).

In a similar fashion, towns named "Brigantium" also existed across the Celtic world, including Bregenz, Austria, and Briançon, France.
 
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Taranis said:
"Mediolanum" is latinized, but Celtic in etymology (in Gaulish, it would be "Mediolanon", meaning "middle plain" or "middle plaza". Cognates for Gaulish "lanon" exist in Old Irish ("Lann" - meaning "thin", "plate" or "layer") and Welsh ("Llan" - meaning "parish" or "yard"). If the word was Latin, it would be "Medioplanum".

Also, yes, one Mediolanum was modern-day Milano. But, such places existed across the Celtic-speaking world:

- Mediolanum of the Santones in Gaul (modern-day Saintes)
- Mediolanum of the Aulerci Eburovices (modern-day Evreux)

In addition, Ptolemy lists two places named "Mediolanum" in Germania:
- one was located probably along the Morava river, near the place it mounts in the Danube.
- the other one was located at the left-bank of the Rhine, in an area that roughly corresponds with the modern-day northwestern Ruhr Area (I've seen people claimed that the town Borken is at the site of Mediolanum, but in my opinion, that is a guess).

In a similar fashion, towns named "Brigantium" also existed across the Celtic world, including Bregenz, Austria, and Briançon, France.
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If you are interested in etymology, I can tell you about Ourense, famous city because of its thermal waters.

Named by the Romans as the "city of gold" (Auriense) because of its abundance in this precious metal was an important city of the Roman province of Hispania until they exhausted their reserves of this mineral in the Rio Miño. It also believes that the city name comes from the Latin urente (Waters scorching), or the Germanic Warmse (Hot Lake), known for thermal water sources.

Breogán is a name used in Galicia today, although it is not the most popular.
 
Hi everybody. Can anybody say architecture celtic has something of iberian? I can't believe it.
 
This's a long thread, if I understood well there are a lot of people who think descend of celts...but deny your real essence. I feel sorry for them. I might not can face another night on my own knowing that I am who I can't be.



Best regards.
 
Another latin-american spammer. In english, it's not "architecture celtic" like we say in spanish, it's "celtic architechture". First comes the adjective before the name. Regards,
 
Another person with nothing better to do than go against historical and cultural facts. Very strange indeed.
 
Atilla said:
This's a long thread, if I understood well there are a lot of people who think descend of celts...but deny your real essence. I feel sorry for them. I might not can face another night on my own knowing that I am who I can't be.



Best regards.
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Excuse me? What are you trying to say? At least try to write in proper English.
 
Burgundis said:
Excuse me? What are you trying to say? At least try to write in proper English.
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I see you can’t penetrate into english language, thus I’m gonna try to write it in your first language: Non vivunt contra rationem esse simulas ego numquam (LATIN) Non potrei vivere con l'idea di fingere di essere qualcosa che non sarò mai (ITALIAN) Yo no podría enfrentar otra noche en mi propio conocimiento fingiyendo qui soy una persona que nunca voy a ser (SPANISH) I HOPE YOU COMPREHEND CAUSE YOU’RE A LATIN…IF YOU DON’T …SORRY …I’M MAKING USE OF GOOGLE DICTIONARY.
 
Atilla said:
I see you can’t penetrate into english language, thus I’m gonna try to write it in your first language: Non vivunt contra rationem esse simulas ego numquam (LATIN) Non potrei vivere con l'idea di fingere di essere qualcosa che non sarò mai (ITALIAN) Yo no podría enfrentar otra noche en mi propio conocimiento fingiyendo qui soy una persona que nunca voy a ser (SPANISH) I HOPE YOU COMPREHEND CAUSE YOU’RE A LATIN…IF YOU DON’T …SORRY …I’M MAKING USE OF GOOGLE DICTIONARY.
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Atilla said:
I see you can’t penetrate into english language, thus I’m gonna try to write it in your first language: Non vivunt contra rationem esse simulas ego numquam (LATIN) Non potrei vivere con l'idea di fingere di essere qualcosa che non sarò mai (ITALIAN) Yo no podría enfrentar otra noche en mi propio conocimiento fingiyendo qui soy una persona que nunca voy a ser (SPANISH) I HOPE YOU COMPREHEND CAUSE YOU’RE A LATIN…IF YOU DON’T …SORRY …I’M MAKING USE OF GOOGLE DICTIONARY.
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The Celts of Iberia topic does not pertain to anything psychological, obviously. It is concerned with aspects of Celtic history, culture, linguistics and genetics. If you are going to contribute to this thread kindly stay on topic and post relevant material that is buttressed by valid research. Otherwise, find other subject matter to involve yourself with.
 
Well, here I go: "The Iberians (and Celts) may have disappeared as identifiable groups, but in the 19th and 20th centuries historians and sociologists unearthed their ashes from the past in an effort to fit them into the history of Spain. It's a fascinating story of how we attempt to make the past fit ideas of nationhood at particular times." Anderson, James Spain: 1001 Sights Calgary, 1991 Collins, Roger Spain: An Oxford Archaeological Guide Oxford, 1998 Ruiz Zapatero, Gonzalo “Celts and Iberians” in Cultural Identity and Archeology eds Graves-Brown, P, Jones S, Gamble C, London 1996 Vincent, Mary and Stradling, R.A Cultural Atlas of Spain and Portugal Abington, Oxford 1994.
 
Cambrius (The Red) said:
The Celts of Iberia topic does not pertain to anything psychological, obviously. It is concerned with aspects of Celtic history, culture, linguistics and genetics. If you are going to contribute to this thread kindly stay on topic and post relevant material that is buttressed by valid research. Otherwise, find other subject matter to involve yourself with.
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"La storia non può essere basata su una menzogna"
 
ok, I admit celts or celtic culture has never been in Iberia. Are you happy now ? If you don't have anything to add just gtfo.
 
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