Sarmatians, Serbs, Croats and I2a2

[how yes no 2]

No,
If I hotspot (a small concentrated circle in Caucasus mountains) is what you link to Serboi , look at the small ridge on Caspian sea. Your hotspot is 250km downward. Serboi on old map are on mouth of Volga river it is upwards 500 km from that hot spot. Ridge is halway.
You just need to look for river mouths and some landmarks when comparing to an old map.

your hotspot is around 100km down from Makachkala.

as I told you, you look at wrong place....

Serboi trace is lot above Makachkala.... it is very top of your image
around Kalmyk region...

and on haplogroup I map it is place on Caspian sea shores from which spread goes towards west and north west with west end finishing in Kuban region...well, try to look on place of Serboi and imagine what would happen with spread if they were migrating towards west and nortwest and than look map again...

 

[how yes no 2]

though, I also thought you are smart enough not to believe Deretic's alternative version of history... he did probably draw 4 'C' himself

But actually, Deretic might be right about Achilleus

In Greek mythology, Achilles (Ancient Greek: Ἀχιλλεύς, Achilleus) was a Greek hero of the Trojan War, the central character and the greatest warrior of Homer's Iliad.
Achilles also has the attributes of being the most handsome of the heroes assembled against Troy.[1]
...
Achilles was the son of the nymph Thetis and Peleus, the king of the Myrmidons. Zeus and Poseidon had been rivals for the hand of Thetis until Prometheus, the fire-bringer, warned Zeus of a prophecy that Thetis would bear a son greater than his father. For this reason, the two gods withdrew their pursuit, and had her wed Peleus.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles

The Myrmidons (or Myrmidones; Greek: Μυρμιδόνες) are people of ancient Greek mythology. They are very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and are commanded by Achilles.[1] Their eponymous ancestor was Myrmidon, a king of Thessalian Phthia who was a son of Zeus and "wide-ruling" Eurymedousa, a princess of Phthia. She was seduced by Zeus in the form of an ant. An etiological myth of their origins, simply expanding upon their supposed etymology — the name in Classical Greek was interpreted as "ant-people", from μυρμηδών (murmedon) "ant's nest"[2] and that from μύρμηξ (murmex) "ant"[3] — was first mentioned by Ovid, in Metamorphoses: in Ovid's telling, King Aeacus of Aegina, father of Peleus, pleaded with Zeus to populate his country after a terrible plague. Zeus said his people would number as the ants on his sacred oak, and from the ants sprang the people of Aegina, the Myrmidons.
According to Homer's Iliad, the Myrmidons were the fiercest warriors in all of Greece. As said in Iliad, "Go home, then, with your ships and comrades to lord it over the Myrmidons".
[edit]Later use of the term

The Myrmidons of Greek myth were known for their loyalty to their leaders, so that in pre-industrial Europe the word "myrmidon" carried many of the same connotations that "robot" does today. Myrmidon later came to mean "hired ruffian" (according to the Oxford English Dictionary) or "a loyal follower, especially one who executes orders without question, protest, or pity - unquestioning followers." (Dictionary.com).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidons

hm, brave and skilled warriors....loyal to extreme...unquestioning followers... sounds as proto-Serbs

ant-people
associations: Eneti, Antes, Veneti...
Thracians that are numerous as ants...

Dalmat, thanks for sharing this valuable clue

 

[Ivan]

I thought that you imply that the wave with part pointing to Serboi can be interpreted as some sign of spreading to west, which I think is wrong. I think only rounded areas are places of migrational starts and stop. All isohypss are just spreading from high to lower concenration areas in time.

That is why I chose to believe you meant round hotspot from Makachkala.

So,
This wave can only mean from west to east. .

 

[iapetoc]

Hahahahaha the 4 c is total serbian
the 4 c of the greeks has a different meaning
its a holy bound and oath, its not 4 c but something like 3ε it has to do with gods,
it is found in delphi in delos island in apollonia black sea
and mainly were an oracle exists, i cant speak about that more,
if you are a polytheistic you 'll understand.

the propability that cames from ancient 12 radius sun may have a aproach
cause 4c = 8 radius +4 the cross = 12 radius,
13 and 16 radius were symbols of ancient makedonians
12 was the star and 16 the sun

and cause i cant hold my self the double ε 3ε you will also find it in astrology, find where and then compare it with a christian symbol

 

[iapetoc]

i stiil dont get it

in caukas
serbi - krevatas - albania,

white serbia
white croatia

serbia today
croatia today
albania today

MISSES THE WHITE ALBANIA
Hahahahahahaha

and what about bosna, have you search or found any in caucaus?

so to a celt needs a R1b, the myceneans what were they?
and how we found it???

 

[Ivan]

iapetoc you forgot Madjars, Balkars

Today Madjars are also called Hungarians

Madjars of Caucasus have nothing to do geneticaly with Madjars in Hugaria but there is the name.

Balkars of Caucasus are supose to be Bulgars.

It does seem funny, but there are 5 similar names

 

[iapetoc]

Hahahaha
indeed,
probably the inner and outer names esonyms and eksonyms
propably the names hrvat srbi mayar alba and bulkar were given by outer,
or given by R carrier

BTW can a linguist tell me how is male catlle in slavian
and which is IE the bull as we found it in Britain
or the taurus - toro as in greek and spain???

 

[Garrick]

Hahahaha
indeed,
probably the inner and outer names esonyms and eksonyms
propably the names hrvat srbi mayar alba and bulkar were given by outer,
or given by R carrier

BTW can a linguist tell me how is male catlle in slavian
and which is IE the bull as we found it in Britain
or the taurus - toro as in greek and spain???

iapetoc
People are trying to discover their origins, which is lost in the darkness of the past and every attempt is worth the effort.

Without trial and error no paving the way knowledge.

Thanks haplogroups we are much closer to the cognition to reconstruct roads in the past and to re-read the old texts, otherwise pay attention to issues of language, culture, customs and so on.

Your idea that the Serbs are Thracians or Thracians are Serbs, and Thracians to be connected with the Celts (according to current knowledge) have a base, it also has ancient Greek sources about the Thracians, and writing of Herodotus is especially important, also in Byzantine sources indicate beyond doubt that the Tribals are Serbs, and Tribals were Thracian tribe.

In this regard, we are very close to at least some tribes that were Serbian and these are Scordisci, Tribals, possible Moesians (since both of them are mentioned in Byzantine sources as Serbian), and later we can go from tribe to tribe and discuss the likelihood that if the tribe Thracian/Celtic/Serbian, or African/Illyrian/Albanian, or other.

I do not know how much you know, but today the official Albanian History tends to show the entire ancient Greece as the Illyrian/Old Albanian, on the other side the Illyrian/Old Albanian factor according to this sources was spread all the way to the borders of present-day Slovenia and Austria, even within the territory of Hungary (for examples according todays albanian sources Pannonians were Illyrian/Old Albanian tribe).

But we may look at all rational, and haplogroups give us unmistakable mark on the movement of people and tribes, so that it will contribute assembling the puzzle and mosaic of past and getting of new dimensions and valuable knowledge.

 

[iapetoc]

I have found a better solution
i will tell you later,

about albanian
much money are paid,
from islam turkey and usa
they buy cheap stupid scientic like kolla to say bullshit,
but a percentance of south albanians consider thei rshelfs greeks
that is why in Greek revolution 35% of army were south albanians against North who served the turks
the state of albania is in middle cant blame greece and cant blame koosovars,
albanians slain arberians Suliotet just for being with Greeks, find who is behind them,
the ones that saved them at 1912.
also why the connection with both Dacia and turkey,

 

[iapetoc]

besides i will give you an information after that will shock you
Ancient greek thoukidides

 

[how yes no 2]

I thought that you imply that the wave with part pointing to Serboi can be interpreted as some sign of spreading to west, which I think is wrong. I think only rounded areas are places of migrational starts and stop. All isohypss are just spreading from high to lower concenration areas in time.

That is why I chose to believe you meant round hotspot from Makachkala.

So,
This wave can only mean from west to east. .

island like hotspot stays if tribe didnot move for very long time back in history, or if part of it it goes far away in short period ....

normally, tribe is expanding/moving slowly...and than you get spread as the one between Serboi and Kuban area.... it is irrelevant in which direction was spread originally, as there are tens thousands of years of people with that haplogroup moving around before someone recorded position of Serboi and someone else later recorded position of Siraces....... point is that there is a clear spread that relates Serboi area with area where later Siraces (thought to be same as Serboi) are recorded in history... and that it is haplogroup I that relates those places...

 

[how yes no 2]

But actually, Deretic might be right about Achilleus


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidons

hm, brave and skilled warriors....loyal to extreme...unquestioning followers... sounds as proto-Serbs

ant-people
associations: Eneti, Antes, Veneti...
Thracians that are numerous as ants...

Dalmat, thanks for sharing this valuable clue

could Sherden sea peoples have been part of populous race of Veneti?

they do have antennas

but ant-people can hardly be proto-Serbs, as from what I read somewhere (long time ago and do not think it was very credible source), in animal world proto-Serbs would have wolves as totem...
which btw. might relate them to Dacians and Lycians...

in Greek lýkos = "wolf"

Lycia was frequently mentioned by Homer as an ally of Troy. In Homer's Iliad, the Lycian contingent was said to have been led by two esteemed warriors: Sarpedon (son of Zeus and Laodamia) and Glaucus (son of Hippolochus). Elsewhere in Greek mythology, the Lycian kingdom was said to have been ruled by another Sarpedon, a Cretan exile and brother of the king Minos;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycia

rulers of Lykia seems to be called Sarpedon (don = ruler, Sarpedon = ruler of Serbs? as Cimbri king Boiirix is ruler of Boii? Cimbri also had king Lugas)....

The Dacians (Lat. Daci, Gr. Δάκαι Dákai) were an Indo-European people, the ancient inhabitants of Dacia (located in the area in and around the Carpathian mountains and east of there to the Black Sea), present-day Romania and Moldova, parts of Sarmatia (mostly in eastern Ukraine) and Scythia Minor in southeastern Europe (Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria). They spoke the Dacian language, believed related to Thracian, but were influenced culturally by the neighbouring Scythians and by the Celtic invaders of the 4th century BC.[1]
The Dacians (tribe) were known as Geton (plural Getae) in Greek writings, and as Dacus (plural Daci) and also Getae in Roman documents; also as Dagae and Gaete—see the late Roman map Tabula Peutingeriana. Strabo states that the original name of the Dacians was "daoi", which could be explained with a possible Phrygian cognate "daos", meaning "wolf". This assumption may be supported by the fact that one of the Dacian standards, the Dacian Draco, had a wolf's head. Phrygii was another name used within the region, and in later times, some Roman auxiliaries recruited from the area were referred to as Phrygi. Their capital was not Argedava near the Danube, but Sarmizegetusa, in the Sureanu mountains, in the Romanian Western Carpathians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacians

interesting idea that Dacians are related to wolf as well...
I didnot know Dacians = Getae, bnut it did sound similar to Deutch and Dutch to me... Dacians might have originally been Germanic...which doesnot exclude them as I2a2...

but they had Celtic invaders rulling over them.... and Seneca speaks of Serians rulling over Scythians (in some translations it is said Dacians)... so, this rullers of theirs could have been either Serdi/Scordisci... or Carpi

 

[how yes no 2]

iapetoc you forgot Madjars, Balkars

Today Madjars are also called Hungarians

Madjars of Caucasus have nothing to do geneticaly with Madjars in Hugaria but there is the name.

Balkars of Caucasus are supose to be Bulgars.

It does seem funny, but there are 5 similar names

of course those are not coincidences...

there is Iberia in Caucasus and Iberian peninsula in south Europe...
now among tribes who lived in Iberian peninsula are again: Seurbi, Helleni, Albones...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Iberia_300BC.svg

of course, those tribal names are not coincidence....

just remember what happened when new colonies e.g. America were discovered...

there was New Amsterdam there, and than it was renamed to New York...
there is New Caledonia...there were Spanish, English, French, Portugese, Dutch lands there...

parts of tribes tend to colonize new places and give them old names.... and those parts of tribes carry same names as their core

well, look at Alani...
http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/500/entity_6193.html

 

[Ivan]

First,
Happy New Year to Orthodox Christians who practice their religion by Julian calendar .

it is irrelevant in which direction was spread originally

On contrary, I find that information about directions of spreading very important.

and on haplogroup I map it is place on Caspian sea shores from which spread goes towards west and north west with west end finishing in Kuban region...well, try to look on place of Serboi and imagine what would happen with spread if they were migrating towards west and nortwest and than look map again...

By logic of shapes, and isohypses gradation, it looks like west to east direction. It just flows nicely and in 2-3 visible steps towards mouth of Volga. This shape also gradually shapes through centuries. This is not coincidental. At least not by this visual data from map. The question is in shape logic not a haplogroup type.

Concerning haplotype I:

Don't forget that almost all Alans - Sarmatians residing in that area were eradicated by Tamerlan, eccept those that retreated to mountains.
What we see are nowadays data about people living on that place. The question is how much of Alanian I is in them, since this part of the Russian plane was a home of so many nations, very much different. Also it could be Russian population gradually moving in vast uninhabited land after Tamerlan slaughtering population of planes.

Mostly Ossetes are claiming Alanian descent today. Their country is officially known as North Ossetia-Alania. For your theory to work, where big numbers of I2a2 came from Alans, there should be at least equal G among them in places where they supposedly came to. In case of Serbia and Croatia there are about 0,9-2% of G. There should be proportionaly lower percent of I2a2 coming from Alans.



G spread is more logical to mouth of Volga, also since that of I looks it came from west ( could be Russian ). Also waves of G in Serboi area (Alan tribe), carry more potent frequency range of G (Frequency range: 0% to 31.7%) than I (Frequency range: 0% to 22.6%). They should be in proportion of 26 G to 18 I, in waves projecting on that area nowadays.
Only if we accept those I to be there after Tamerlan destruction of Alania. In fact G waves also look like repopulation of Alan areas from G carriers, after Tamerlan. Only this G moves in logical settlement areas for G.

Also migration of large numbers of people (exodus like?) to territories of nowadays Poland and Germany (White Croatia and White Srebia) can not be attributed to warlike, warrior elite on horseback like Alans. Large numbers of people does not go along with warriors, since they are mostly going on foot and with children, women, their possessions and cattle, and no warrior would like to be slowed by them. To propose great numbers that could be relevant comparing to indigenous population of I2a2 from Balkans, came from Alan is not possible (by my opinion). It looks more like warriors on horseback came to indigenous R1a of Poland and Germany and settled among them. Maybe some I2a2 were alrady there among the R1a.

It is estimated that there were no more than 35000 Alan warriors in Europe. Even big numbers of Mongols and Huns have left no relevant genetic traces. Very small part of Europe population have this genetic imprint (except Hungary).

Today there is no certain genetic trace that could be attributed solely to Alans. It is speculated though, that G2a is most probable carrier. In fact, I am connected genetically of course, along with some other people to, so far, only relevant bones of alleged Sarmatian origin warriors (two of them) buried in Merrovingian Germany of 7th century together with four warriors of R1b. These alleged Sarmation origin warriors are buried according to Sarmatian customs with horse skull and horse feet. I am actually more closely related to these two people, than I am related to some of nowadays living g2a carriers from Europe, even after 1300 years.


Madyars of Caucasus have over 90% of G1.
They differ so much from Madyars of Balkans, but name couldn't be coincidence.

There is Jasi minority from Hungaria, who came from Alania prior to or after Tamerlan. Jasi or Osi is Georgian name for Ossetes. They still have Caucasian heritage.

 

[how yes no 2]

Happy New Year to everyone for whom today is 1st January!!

Ivan,

As you mention some theory of mine, and find some holes in it, let's first see what is my theory... if there is such a thing, as I was often changing opinion and posting possibilities much more than some stable theory

but if I would have to take a firm attitude and define some theory, it would at the moment be stg. like this:

I do not think that Serboi were Alan tribe. There is nothing in history that indicates that except for single statement of wikipedia that is given without reference. I think that Serboi are same as Serians of Seneca. Serians of Seneca did live in Caspian highlands of Sarmatia Asiatica, but were not Sarmatian, and not Alans.. they might have been closest neighbours to Alans. Serians of Seneca do live in extremely friendly relationship with Sarmatians as they live completely unguarded from Sarmatians...

Positiion of Serboi does match somewhat elevated area of haplogroup I, same as position of Siraces in Kuban region does... for me this is enough to conclude that Serboi/Siraces have likely been haplogroup I, same as Pastun Sarbans, and Serians of northwest China... all that correlation between haplogroup I and spread opf Serians, coupled with Serbs being round 50% haplogroup is my basis to claim that Serians mention by Seneca are proto-Serbs.

Those Serians are I think the same as Zeruiani of Baavarian geographer, the ones whose state was so big that all Slavs origin from that state...


I think Serians of northwest China, of arc from there to India, of Red sea, and of Caspian highlands are easy to identify in known historic people who lived there (respectively Seres, Sheba/Sabeans and Serboi/Siraces). Obvious remains of arc of Serians from China to India are Pasthun Sarbans. So I have no doubts about those people.

My doubts are related to who are European Serians...were that Scordisci/Serdi, Boii, Cimbri, Carpi, Thracians, Dacians... several of those tribes... that is what I am curious about...

Concerning Alans, they were probably not dominantly group I, but probably group G...you can see that in Iberian peninsula...

proto-Serbs are likely Serians, and thus have nothing to do with Sarmatians except some of their tribes were living in Sarmatia, and have nothing to do with Alans, except being good neighbours... btw. Sarmatia as Germania is about style of life... not about origin... Sarmatia is area where people live as nomads, while Germania is about living in households.. that was the criteria that Greek and Roman historians used to classify tribes... that says nothing of origin....only about culture...

proto-Serbs are likely part of larger tribal group of Veneti...

I think that Sarmatians were tribes of different origin - some were R1a dominant (as Sarmatians origin from Scythians), some were G (e.g. Alans and Iazyges and Ossetians (fact that Russians called them Jasi people = Iazyges does not exclude Osetians descending from Alans, as for Slavic Russians, iranian speaking Sarmatian Alans = iranian speaking Sarmatian Iazyges = iranian speaking Sarmatian Ossets) who origin from them) and some were I2a2 (as Antes who as other Veneti tribes origin from Paplagonia Eneti)

Keep in mind that early Slavs are in history described as populous race of Veneti (Jordanes). And I have shown that spread of early Slavs match I2a2 much much better than spread of R1a.. I did also show that Veneti are most likely candidate for source of I2a and I2a2... as I2a* is found only in area of Adriatic Veneti and Britanny Veneti, and as variance of I2a2 is highest in areas north of Adriatic (perhaps Adriatic Veneti related) and in area north of Black sea (Antes who are also of Veneti race according to Jordanes)

I also do not think Serbs were Slavicized. I think that Serbo-Croatian is native to I2a2 speakers. People who have changed language recently, tend to speak a lot using infinitives as they had difficulty to absorb grammar. That is phenomena common in north most Croats and also in Russians, and non existent in Serbs. Besides, Serb have saying "speak Serbian so that whole world understands you", which might indicate that I2 (including I2a1 and I2b1) has spread PIE language...

 

[Regulus]

You caught me with your line about using infinitives. If I get confused speaking in Spanish about something that will happen and I need to use the future case, I cheat and use the "Going to 'Infinitive' " .

The future case for some reason has always given me problems. I was able to memorize almost all of the conjugations except for that one.
It never occurred to me that the method would be used by others. It makes sense. A people that aquire a new language would likely do the same.

 

[Ivan]

As you mention some theory of mine, and find some holes in it, let's first see what is my theory... if there is such a thing, as I was often changing opinion and posting possibilities much more than some stable theory

I thought it is good to question some theories, a little more on details than to go into new ones so quickly.

my theory... if there is such a thing, as I was often changing opinion

I have noticed you have many of them and I did try to narrow down one of them, the one I am mostly interested in.

I do not think that Serboi were Alan tribe

That explains most of your ideas.


But I think these people explained most of it already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs

 

[how yes no 2]

I thought it is good to question some theories, a little more on details than to go into new ones so quickly.

my theory... if there is such a thing, as I was often changing opinion

I have noticed you have many of them and I did try to narrow down one of them, the one I am mostly interested in.

I think you might have a problem that you try to map single nation of today to only one tribe in past... what appears to be many theories may as well be converging to single theory that does map single nation of today to several tribes from past...

I do not think that Serboi were Alan tribe

That explains most of your ideas.

Find me single historic reference (not wikipedia sentence without reference) that relates Serboi with Alans...

while on other hand, from sentence of Seneca about Serians it seems to be clear that Serians are not same as Sarmatians although they live among them, same as Serboi and Alans live next to each other...

Btw. YDNA haplogroup of a person has not much to do with one's overall genetics as it traces only direct male line while all the zilion indirect lines are invisible in such a classification ... YDNA has not much meaning as an indicator of person's overall origin as it speaks only of very small part of person's origin...

well, let me draw that for you:
imagine yourself as a tree whose root is branching on two branches and every subbranch branching on 2 and every subbranch of subbranch branching on 2.... YDNA haplogroup is about single line is such a tree with your roots...one line out of many many lines that contribute to you genetically...

11 generations from you in past there are 2 ^10 = 1024 of your male ancestors...they have all contributed equally to your genetics, while your YDNA tell us only that one of those 1024 people was G2a while it tells us nothing about remaining 1023 of your male ancestors in 11th generation before you..

in other words, YDNA haplogroups are not so relevant for individual people, their importance is only in a sense that they allow us to track movements of groups of people....

your direct male line as G2a likely origin from Alans, but I do not think it is likely that proto-Serbs were Alans with dominant G haplogroup as G in Serbia is not really elevated compared to surroundings and because haplogroup I seems to map well to spread of Serians in Euroasia..

in fact, I do think that proto-Croats have much more chances to partially origin from Sarmatian Alans than proto-Serbs do... from what I see actual settlement area of proto-Croats (on south delimited with river Cetina south of Split and on north at most up to Rijeka) was not really sampled, only areas around it were....and I remember reading on some forum few years ago about one genetic research done in Split that did not name haplogroups in results (as paper was not about origin of people), but that showed that G haplogroup was dominant in that area.... I do not know how credible author of that post was,and how much was he able to identify haplogroup based on markers, and even worse I do not know what was the place where I read it...that is the reason I keep telling that I would really like to see some data about Split and settlement area of proto-Croats...

that is also why I have several times on site asked Maciamo what is his source for elevated G in Croatia... I never got an answer.....

I also do not think that Alans were I2a2 people (as e.g. there is no I2a2 in Iberian peninsula or north Africa or Sardinia, while there is G)

 

[Ivan]

I think you might have a problem that you try to map single nation of today to only one tribe in past...

No.

I wrote on other posts I think Serboi and Choroati are just names
adopted by Slavic population of ruling elite of sarmatians which are originaly theirs. Those white Serbs and White Croats came to I2a2 of Balkans, with already assimilated G2a and some I of Sarmatia.



I know I am pretty much boring, so this must be a reason you do not read everything I write.

Those elevated G in Osijek are my relatives. Read the post from "new data from Serbia..." i wrote
about that and of above mentioned.

. YDNA haplogroup of a person has not much to do with one's overall genetics as it traces only direct male line while all the zilion indirect lines are invisible in such a classification ... YDNA has not much meaning as an indicator of person's overall origin as it speaks only of very small part of person's origin..

Every gene matters. Nature intended this one to be less changable, so we can use that trait today.

It actually is the only way to be sure of someones origin when included with archeology and history. Y gene is maybe small (2%) of genetics. But we do share 95% with monkies and some 90% with pigs. So most of genes information is about not having a tail...

I was also believer that genes that change a lot have much more to do with our physical and mental traits. Now I think genes that are in fact small but change a little have more important role to human evolution than we think.

well, let me draw that for you:

I am maybe much more visual type, but you don't have draw to me that.

Find me single historic reference (not wikipedia sentence without reference) that relates Serboi with Alans...

Don't be so hard on wikipedia. It is a nice start for beginners.
It doesn't mean what they say was not truth, but not so much into details.
Actually Serbian and Croatian iranian origin is teached on some univeristies. They could be wrong and you could be right but as you said it is just a theory.
Have you seen the movie?

 

[how yes no 2]

No.
I wrote on other posts I think Serboi and Choroati are just names
adopted by Slavic population of ruling elite of sarmatians which are originaly theirs. Those white Serbs and White Croats came to I2a2 of Balkans, with already assimilated G2a and some I of Sarmatia.

that is theory that you choose as most likely....and in the times when I started to write these posts I would agree with it...
however now I relate proto-Serbs to Serians who are I haplogroup...

I know I am pretty much boring, so this must be a reason you do not read everything I write.

you are not boring

Those elevated G in Osijek are my relatives. Read the post from "new data from Serbia..." i wrote
about that and of above mentioned.

Osijek is in the area or more likely near the area where Sarmatian Iazyges/Iasi people lived...

Ossetians are by Russians called Iasi people...they are only nation in Caucasus that speaks iranian language... they are thought to descend from Sarmatians (iranian speaking people), namely from Alans... Ossetians are dominantly haplogroup G

so, direct male ancestor of your family is maybe related to Iazyges....

Every gene matters. Nature intended this one to be less changable, so we can use that trait today.

It actually is the only way to be sure of someones origin when included with archeology and history. Y gene is maybe small (2%) of genetics. But we do share 95% with monkies and some 90% with pigs. So most of genes information is about not having a tail...

this is not correct reasoning.... learn more on topic...

Have you seen the movie?

yes, but I do not find it good comparison with my posts on this forum....