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Berun, this Hollywood types of narratives (like super Yamnaya) fails us all. However, if you fine grain it, its actually useful: After hundreds of papers read, this is obvious to me in the Archeological registry: 4900 BC (even earlier) – There was CHG loaded people crossing the big Caucasus...

No. Iberia was "OVERPOPULATED" by the 3rd Milenium BC. As the rest of Europe was geographically very low population density, Iberia and in the beginning of that milenia had places like Zambujal , Perdigoes,Porto torrão, San Blas, Valencia La conception, La pijotilla,some as big as 80ha in size...

"We find that Iron Gates HG can be modeled as a three-way mixture ofNear-Eastern hunter-gatherers (25.8 ± 5.0 % AHG or 11.1 ± 2.2 % Natufian), WHG (62.9 ± 7.4It is made available under a CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license.(which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted...

Bell beakers in Portugal, Zambujal and VNSP region where a specific stock of people that we do not have adna. Not even close --- The Adna we have for that region/period is from people thrown into caves and bell beakers were definitely not. Agree! – L51 was born either in Balkans (as Boian or...

Bicicleur, And yes. Anthropogenic climate change has started in the Neolithic. Whatever meager it was, agriculture did change climate locally. Removing a part of a forest and replace by agriculture does have an impact on local climate (mostly min/max at night).

Yes. Talking about climate change and putting a link to SS is like talking about politics and putting links to Hufpost, Msnbc or Fox.

Its from Eurogenes/Davidski.

Yes. EpiPaleo and all the way to 5300 bc it was something different than later settlements, even KOM K (fayum) shows the diference, let alone Merimde, el-omari, Sais, etc. Animal domesticates were Natufian driven into North africa.

@Bicicleur, Not really. Agriculture arrived only, and fully packaged, to Egypt by 4700BC. Not earlier . A couple centuries earlier there had been pastoral population near Fayum lake and some domesticates animals in oasis further west and South. Just that. No agriculture. The arrival of...

Slow times... https://www.sciencealert.com/ancient-egypt-tell-el-samara-neolithic-village-5-000-bce-predate-pharaohs Newly found village in northern Egypt Nile Delta. Some that know me are aware of the importance I give to Merimde beni salama. But Merimde is way south near cairo and findings...

Hi. Which parts do you think he his off?

Yes. Grow up.

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To keep drumming the Shulaveri at a time when we are so close… I figure Haji Firuz R1b Z2103 will turn up one of these days as dated and confirmed. I immediately noted when it came out that the two places where WINE production have been attested has been precisely in Shulaveri and Haji Firuz...

Berun, no, no, no. Govan is most welcome here. All of those that are feeling lonely at EUROGENES, tired of it being a pure ECHOChamber, are most welcome here. Lets just make sure there is no DAVIDSKI here to ban everyone that does affront the dominating view.

Anatolian and CHG? --- There is a crazy guy, that said that the same population that is later seen in steppe, since it was originally a south caucasus population, is later seen (4800bc) i tell tsaf (israel), in Egypt Delta Nile as Merimde bene salama (4600bc).... and arriving to iberia by...

Lol. Be gentle.

Yes. and all caveats need to be in place. 4000bc was a time when new groups were starting to form. Trypillia might not be as close to Cucuteni as one expects and even less to pre-cucuteni. archaeologically one has Hamangia (what was their admix?) mixing with Boian (what was their admix?) and...

Moesan, Because its not a mix of early steppist with anything. What you say makes lots of sense but it does not need steppe for any purpose. In reality is a mix of old europe with 5000 bc newly arrival to balkans coming from south caucasus as we already know was a movement of CHG loaded people...

Exactly. And that is when the conversation looses purpose. Whats the point?