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Fire haired, see my post and the link from Eurogenes with Globular Amphora Culture, they are older than Yamna and ancestors of Corded folks, they have plenty of light hairs and eyes, also according Genetiker, Samara is supposed to be blond and blue eyes...and ancestor of Yamna, there are also...

Fire haired 14, see these links: http://eurogenes.blogspot.fr/2015/03...opper-and.html https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...LXM/view?pli=1 You can see the ancestors of Corded Ware, clearly indo-europeans have a majority of light hairs and eyes, so no Corded were not brown eyes; in fact...

Rethel I'm 100% agree with you; there are something completly wrong with these analysis; we talk about a minority (WHG) with a huge recessive trait (blue eyes) and dark skin (?) mixed with two different larger populations with brown eyes, and everybody end with light eyes ?:laughing: There are...

lol, you are really parano Alan, seriously you are insane; I have posted these links simply because peoples in this topic talk about neanderthals; WHG and their potential redhead (or various hair colors); seriously you have a big problem against Europeans peoples (that not a surprise from you)...

@Angela First sorry to have contribued to the derailment of this topic, and I'm really sorry for Fire Haired 14; specially because I find this thread really interesting. Angela, thank very much you for your comment, but there are a problem, I have said absolutely nothing !!! You can see my...

You have corrected nothing and your "knowledge" (lol) impress just yourself, you have just talked absolutely no sense, and again, I don't have given any opinion about Kostenki; I have copy/past Genetiker message. Yes personnal attack because first you don't have the level to correct someone or...

@Alan Yes, Mongoloids; and in your pictures too, are far lighter than most west and south asians (in my previous messages I have clearly said "in general"), if you can't accept it, I can't help you; and I don't have said nothing about Kostenki; I have simply copy/paste the article from...

Genetiker himself have said to be cautious about Kostenki analysis; for the "light skin"; he talk about "Mongoloid light skin"; so far lighter than indians or west asians in general. For EHG; if we talk about light colors (hairs, skins and eyes) well, that not a surprise if we take the...

According Genetiker, Mesolithic Samara EHG (ancestor of Yamna) was blond haired, blue eyes with fair skins, I guess that make him the first individual with these features; he was probably R1b (or maybe R1a;). There are also another link in Genetiker blog, about Kostenki...

An interesting comment from Razib Khan about the genetic comparaison to Russians/Norwegians with Yamna; you can follow the discussion here: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-holocene-alien-years/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-holocene-alien-years "well, proportionally it turn out...

I have never said that his eyes colors qualify him to be more french or Europeans, I have just noticed that his eyes colors, nothing more, don't be parano and don't try to read more in my words.

Okay sorry for the mistake, I have read HERC2 so for me it was like "strongly associated to "blue eyes" ( don't worry, I know already all the info you have posted about this gene); "Fire haired" seemed to separate them and the "gray eyes" in his message...so I have made a fake conclusion in this...

ok, but he look like European, not kurdish (he seem to have gray or hazel eyes).

Yes, I understand the problem, my comparaison with the french were from the Yamna construction; this: http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/yamnaya1z3r2ubptdc.jpg I don't have talked about the kurd picture so I don't know why you have quoted me....; for "scientific facts"; I don't have seen...

@Alan Look, I don't understand your opinion; Yamna is kurd is a fact now ? I should have missed something or there are a misunderstanding somewhere. Now I have never said you can't say what you want; and never say you should accept my opinion (please quote me if you have seen the opposite); I...

No, not really, that just mean Yamna look like European or "Caucasian", nothing more; that just your opinion he have "a kurdish face" and that not a "fact"; for example one of the Yamna have been compared to Magnus Carlsen in Eupedia forum; and that the same thing in various boards (the...

@Alan Well, I have already understand your point of view, and imho you speculate alot, you create big group of "west asian"; when they are vaguely related to each other like your conclusion: Wrong, the first group are Mordovians, something I can consider in North (I guess the term is very...

Look, I'm not a specialist, and honestly I find your text and your map, extremely confusing; I will post this link, imo far more clear: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3840-Genetic-distance-of-Yamnaya-samples-to-other-groups 1-Mordovian 0.018 2-Lezgian/Russian 0.019 3-...

I have never said something like that, but the "nordic" physical attribute was not seen like something negative, something you seem to imply in your previous posts. Where I have said that ? I have clearly said they were (probably; I don't know, that depend of the tribes) more brown haired, and...

I don't see your point, when I talk about Europeans, north or east, I talk about the actual population, not the WHG or the oldest ones; look I'm not a specialist, but the paper is very clear; they are close to modern Europeans; like Mordovians (don't forget; they are europeans). No, sorry I...