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Its the classic nordicist idea of Northern Europeans being descended from (and exactly the same as) Greeks and Romans (as well as other iconic civilizations im too lazy to list here). DNA studies have concluded the opposite-that the closest living populations to mycenaens are South Italians...

^^ I can't upvote this post enough

I saw a map and the phoenicians took a small corner in northwest Sicily but that's about it in terms of settling in what is now Italy. It would be strange for them to have gone to the mainland without recording that they did so in the first place. This plus the fact that (stated above)...

Yes, (ygorcs) it isn't just the Anatolian Neolithic or Caucasus in southern Italians that makes them Greek like, its the shared steppe ancestry as well

I agree, and I'm pretty sure there were migrations of people with lots of CHG into southern Italy and Greece during those periods as well, even before classic Greece. Just a guess, guys!

I'm wondering that myself, actually. That is interesting

right here! And if your friends are ok with testing and sharing their results with us, feel free to post them! https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37513-Population-structure-in-Italy-using-ancient-and-modern-samples/page8?p=576311&viewfull=1#post576311

Exactly!!! It's totally wrong to say all or even most of mainland Greece is like the Thessaly samples. If you take a look at the new Roman PCA posted 2 days ago you'll find mainland Greeks plotting perfectly with southern Italians (they're hard to see, they're the diamonds with yellow edges).

They should include the Egyptian mummies if they haven't already.

Indeed! You get an upvote

There are some seriously awful (AWFUL!!!) posts surrounding this topic on a***ro***ica by hateful members with their heavy assumptions. I have no agenda and if a professionally conducted study proves the ancient Romans were anything (South/north Italian, German, Spanish, whatever) I'll live with it.

And like always, there will be people in other forums/blogs who will complain and say "this pca is wrong"

Now this is one study I'm looking forward to! The more samples from Greece and Rome the better! I see most of the Roman samples clustering with South Italians, islanders and Mycenaeans Oh and I see some mainland Greeks in that cluster as well, hard to see at first though. When is this paper...

What's ironic is that a number of people who claim to be top of the line members of the so called master race don't seem to have much to give. How many of them went to college or accomplished anything worth bragging about? Do they cling to these views to feel better about themselves and boost...

it's sad that Neolithic farming communities experienced terrible tragedies such as this one

The answer to the thread's question is: yes. Its a safe bet that a female who produces male levels of testosterone is on steroids (which is illegal in sports, I would imagine). Anyone who naturally produces male levels of testosterone isn't a female.

Chased by more lions! Clever! I have diagnosed anxiety disorder myself and trust me, when anxiety arrives, rationality leaves. Maybe I need more lions in my life...

in elementary school I was literally dragged to the principal's office countless times. It wasn't until high school and especially college/university when I turned a new leaf and graduated with strong grades and I owe much of this to my diagnosis of ADHD and the medication that came with it

Yes Bernie, the American dream is income equality even if that's due to everyone not having any income at all. Let's all be poor

Are you talking about those crazy trees that claim to trace e.g. a French king to an ancient royal such as King Ramses or Alexander the Great lol