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Interesting, I never knew about R850, how would an iron-age latin have such high red-sea ancestry? I am not concluding anything, I'm just saying what the evidence points to as being most likely. Occams Razor and all. I hope to not offend anyone with my posts, I know many over the years have...

Honestly I don't think they were south Italian like, here are my G25, Imperial roman only shows up in 5-population admixture, not changing much. Albanians would naturally have less imperial admix than italians, I myself am eastern-plotting compared to Excine, Dibran, Kelmendasi, and Hawk. They...

I don't disagree with you.

Was just a side-note to strengthen the point about haplogroups pointing towards imperial introgression rather than bronze-age pippo. It exists all over Europe btw (though in smaller amounts) no shame : )

You say that but it seems many people on this forum are still jumping around it, looking for random phantom bronze-age pops.

Italian users here deny any influence from Imperial rome, when if we compare the haplogroups, they have more near-eastern haplogroups than Gheghnia has slavic. And the idea of significant slavic replacement *has* been pushed by many members here.

Subclades matter, not letters. You can add up the near-eastern clades in italy and it will exceed the slavic y-dna in Ghegnia, but somehow we are 30% slavic and they are pure Italics Lol.

What is your argumentation for why its from these phantom populations rather than the heavily documented and sampled imperial roman migrants? Where are these Iron-Age southern italians who plot like this then (prenistini outlier plots west of south italians)? This isn't even accounting for the...

Well answer to your question is Imperial-Rome influx. Else I don't know how south-italians could be eastern-shifted myceaneans if they are suppose to be Latins + Ancient Greeks.

Doesn't the new paper show Iron-Age southern italians plotting with other Italics/Etruscans? Why would south italy be like Aegean IA beforehand? They were just italics with some Greek settlement later on.

I was reffering to the G25 neolithic component breakdown of BGR_IA,Etruscan, Etrucsan Imperial

They are clearly different in G25

Absolutely; natufian without north-african is essentially straight on a cline with Anatolian-Hunter gather ---> Iron Gates --> WHG, it just has more basal eurasian than AHG. Now the question is though, how would extra basal eurasian compared to Anatolia_N be explained without levantine? Unless...

Yea I would like it if you coudl pm the f-stats please. It is not true that this baltic artifact doesnt appear in the paleobalkan world though.

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I mean manga grecians that plot with Empuries/Myceaneans, not Rome Imperials. As for the inside informatioin, I am refering to the PCA posted by Jovialis a few posts up and what ihype has discussed already.

Since when do South Italians plot between Myceaneans/Empuries and Albanians?

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Well northern greeks and Albanians certaintly dont need any anatolian in qpadm (olaide 2021), there should be some near-east in Albanians that wouldve come from marrying Roman females in Urban centers (as the proto-Albanians descended downwards from Kosovo), but by and large the Albanian...

Spicy, excited to see these non-east med magna grecians, if I wasnt banned I would be taking pictures of anthrogenica nerds faces ; P