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i think if you asked the average central european where this guy is from and you give them two options, 1 central europe, 2 near east, most would probably go for near east. not that he could not pass in central eurpope but he could pass in near east easier than in central europe. there is...

it's a book from swiss authors about food/agriculture/peasants in the alps, including but not only, the italian alps. clown. his name is Ruben Lazzoni and he is from Saint Marcel as you would have found yourself if you actually tried.

sure he could pass in switzerland. this guy lives almost right next to the swiss border. never said otherwise. but this was a counterexample against norberts comment. perhaps he never saw people like him or perhaps he closed his eyes because he has a soft spot for italy:ROFLMAO: "fake...

not necessarily iranian but middle eastern. if you think there are literally no italians in the north that could pass as middle eastern, you have either no idea about the wide range of middle eastern phenotypes or the wide range of italian phenotypes in the north. and what is so friggin' about...

i've been to northern italy many times, mostly the alps, and i don't particularly agree with your observation. but that aside, why would your perception of phenotypes change depending on whether or not you have a soft spot for the country?

i'm amazed how this inferiority complex nonsense is coming up over and over again as if it was a fact and not just a vile attribution, in a way even racist.

considering that a big chunk of your posts on this site revolves around phenotypes i wouldn't be surprised if you actually have an account on the Apricity.

"What I have stated is reality. Modern Iranians do not phenotypically resemble the people that brought to them their Indo-European derived culture/civilization and although they may descend from those Indo-European people, today, they barely resemble them on a genetic level due to...

what else could be used? if we are not particularly interested in population migrations but just in the genetic similiarity of populations then those distances aren't that bad or are they? we could also use Fst but i can't find studies that compared a lot of european and middle eastern...

thanks for your input and the numbers. i agree that exagerating similarities is also always done with an agenda. in the case of Moja it is clear what it is. he wants to tie the CHG iran_N ancestry in europe to indo european migrations out of what is now iran and he sees the darker complexion of...

did i debunk false stuff? yes. did you have a problem with it? yes. did you say that if i have a problem with wrong stuff beeing debunked i should leave? yes.

it's not clear where the proto indo europeans came from. you are essentially doing the same thing the other way around. one thing is clear, blonde hair light skin has nothing to do with proto indo europeans.

i literally just debunked false stuff and you complained. and the way i see it HereToLearn did not argue against the point that italians and iranians are the same because i can't see where anyone tried to make that point.

sure but then you could say why did HereToLearn overstress the comment of Moja and help Granzon turn this thread into what it became? noone ever said that italians and iranians are the same people btw.

i'm correcting false statements by HereToLearn. does he stand for all Italians here? we know iranians are not italians but if you want to make your point that iranians and italians are not as similar as Moja maybe wants it to be, why would you start to make things up? like, what is supposed to...

sry, i should have been more clear there. what i wanted to say is that his previous statement doesn't hold for north italians either. he did not talk about poles specifically, that was me. instead he first just talked about the "furthest european population from italians" which obviously is...

and the statement also doesn't hold for north italians.

i now found genetic distances and while i don't have a number for central italians, your statement again doesn't hold for southern italians and poles. poles are at a greater distance than iranians.

when i check pca plots posted in this thread then your statement doesn't hold already for central italians and poles. you see the problem i have is that you people constantly overstate the difference between any european population and any non-european population. what are your motives? because...

can you back this up somehow? also i think in the context of westeurasians there aren't really any huge differences. OP's point was probably that the originial indo europeans could have resembled modern iranians. that's not impossible and maybe even if a modern euopean saw them they would...