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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Wanted to share here some new developments for J-Y15058. A new J-Z38240 subclade defined by J-BY161223 was discovered, parallel to J-PH1602 and J-CTS6190. It currently contains the Sardinian who was previously at ~J-Y15058, a new Macedonian sample, the Norwegian who was previously at J-Z38240*...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Correct. That sample is only reported as J2b, but I'll be surprised if it's not J2b-L283+. Hopefully they release the raw data soon enough and we confirm it. Let's see, maybe we get the first ancient J-L283>Z597>Z638, where the vast majority of Albanian J-L283 belongs. That sample could also be...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    It's certainly possible that it migrated from the inland. However, considering that particular branch hasn't been found inland, and the distance with the Albanian is closer to 4000 years, I think it's more likely it's "autochthonous" to that region of Croatia. Also, keep in mind there is a...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    The Alexander thesis is possible. However, if I'm not mistaken, the guy from Kerala, India, is a Christian or has a tradition of origin from Syrian Christians. So I think it's more likely that subclade migrated during the Bronze Age collapse via the southern Balkans. (Roman era expansion is also...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Would like to share an interesting new BigY result for the J-Z597>Y146400 branch. A person with origin from Krk, Croatia, is tested Y146400+ FGC64027+ FGC64043-, which means he is splitting YFull's J-Y146400 branch. An interesting result for this rare branch parallel/brother to the more common...
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    R1a-CTS1211 > CTS8816 > Y2902 > YP3994 in Albania and in the Balkans

    Yes, based on current research, they are parallel lines, literally brothers that descend from an ancestor who lived between 1930 and 2500 ybp, defined by R-Y2902. At YFull, there is currently 15 of them, as each R-Y2902* forms an independent lineage from the others. Since current NGS technology...
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    R1a-CTS1211 > CTS8816 > Y2902 > YP3994 in Albania and in the Balkans

    Yup, it looks like they made the change to 2500 ybp based on subclade R-Y3226. When clicking "info" next to R-Y2902 TMRCA, towards the bottom it says: "NOTE: Age estimation has been taken from downstream subclade R-Y3226, its age estimation is more (2500 > 1930)" So basically they're saying its...
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    Famous J2 Individuals

    Interesting. I see that haplotype is more specifically J2b-L283>YP91*
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    IMO, there is a couple of reasons. One of them is because southern Albania has received a larger influx of migrations after the fall of Rome, which would naturally lower the percentages of other haplos. For example, J2b-L283 has the lowest percentage in Korçë county (less than 5%), while the...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Interesting information. Good to know that Ljubljana culture spawned all the way to northern Albania. In due time, we should have all these answers with ancient DNA. But in the meantime it's fun hypothesizing. After all, this field would be pretty boring if we had all these answers ;)
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Didn't want to go too much off topic on the other thread, so I'm posting this here. I've been looking into this Lubljana Culture too, and potential link to J-L283. It does seem like J-L283 may have come from further north in the Balkans during EBA, as suggested by J-YP91*, J-Z585*, J-Z615*...
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    Where did E-V13 originate ?

    Thanks for that info! Of course, how could I forget about NikolaVuk and our debate :smile: You keep trying to associate J-L283 with the BB element. While this is certainly possible, keep in mind that no ancient J-L283 has ever been found north of the Balkans where we have hundreds of samples...
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    Where did E-V13 originate ?

    Interesting. I think we might see J-L283 pop up in Cernavoda culture ;) Could you elaborate more about this "Ljubomir Cetina Tumuli"? Are you saying there is links with Cernavoda, and if known, what's the age and the more exact place of this Tumuli? (Couldn't really find anything online :smile: )
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    New development for J-Z638>Y21045. An Aromanian from Albania splits the J-Z38300 subclade. He tested PH1270+ PH4679+ and Z38300- Z38296-. This is the same cluster that was observed in Aromanians from Dukas, Albania with characteristic values of DYS388=17 and DYS389II=29, from the study...
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    Dalmatian Serbs Y dna

    Alright. That's better :)
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    Dalmatian Serbs Y dna

    ^ Since you don't even give a breakdown of the main branches, except for I2a, N, there isn't much use here.
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    J2b1-M205 introduced to Eupedia

    Since there are so many subclades discovered for J2b-M205 since first analysed four years ago, I recently analysed the BAM file of Roman era York gladiator (3DRIF-26), who had autosomal affinities of a Middle Easterner. He is PF7321+ and negative on SNPs that were covered for every current...
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    E-a24066

    No, in addition to Best Quality, they include Acceptable Quality Novels as well. The main criteria is the coordinates of SNPs must fall within the "combBED regions". Not every SNP falls within these regions, however, it doesn't mean they're bad SNPs, they just don't qualify for the Age...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    I generally agree with this map, but I don't think J-L283 was that far north. IMO, it likely migrated around the northern shores of the Black Sea. As previously reported here, the new Armenian J-L283* is actually negative for ~7 SNPs at current J-L283 level, so the split with the European...
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    J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

    Even the new J-Y146401 is actually with further origin from Syria, so J-L283 in India seems to be basically inexistent. However, I agree with you that this clade is most definitely of southern European origin considering the upstream Albanian sample and the diversity of the whole J-Z597 branch...
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