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For POP17 under "Other IDs" it says: I3499;MathiesonNature2018;capture.data.from.tooth. So it's the same one from the previously published study The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe, under which I3499 is labeled from the Vucedol Culture, 2884-2666 calBCE, and is R1b-Z2103+ (could not be...

It's the same person who used to go by "Sile" (some years ago) spreading the same nonsense..

Something new that's more relevant to the thread :smile: Thanks to a Big Y-700 result at Gjenetika.com project, a new subclade "brother" to J-PH1751 was recently discovered/refined. The tester is with paternal origin from Northern Albania and forms a subclade with a fairly high TMRCA with...

Not sure which way this post was directed to, but I would agree with this 100%. And as an admin of Albanian Bloodlines - Gjenetika, I've personally made it clear to Dibran, or any other Albanian with I2a-Din or R1a-M417, that they are just as "Albanian" as anyone else, regardless of their Y-DNA...

This is 100% false. Besides, YFull will not remove flags of samples like for example YF15992 (which you can see is missing it as of now). Yes, they can remove/hide the sample if not paid, but only the kit manager can add or remove flags :wink:

Not very nice of you to say that about Gjenetika project, without any evidence, seemingly just because you may have had disagreement/argument with an admin. And let's not forget that it was the voluntary work of Gjenetika that helped and guided you throughout when you first tested. While we're...

Since you brought it up, you might want to ask user "Rrenjet" about any arguments that may have been started. As you can see there, his post has been edited out by the moderator. Besides, I don't think that thread was temporarily closed as a result of any of my posts. Anyway, I suggest enough...

What makes you think these lineages "arrived" to Albania in the early middle ages? For example, if we look at J-PH1751, we have three upstream splits that are found in Albania since the Bronze Age, starting at J-PH4679: https://yfull.com/tree/J-PH4679/ This would suggest western Balkan...

That timeframe for J-Z597 expansion into western Balkans may actually be right on. Expansions to a different region usually happen a few hundred years after the TMRCA lived (ex. I-Y3120 TMRCA and the expansion to the Balkans). Interesting. I read about these parallels between Maros and Posusje...

A person from West Hungary is tested J-L283+ and S23613- through YSEQ. This is a J-Z622 SNP so he is ~J-L283*, and at 15/37 very distant with the Armenian on YFull. He has a WGS on order, so we should see him on YFull at some point. Btw, ORC007 is not J-L283* as he has one positive read for...

He is at least "fully developed" J-Y21045. His SNP test result (Z1296+ Z1297-) in combination with DYS650=14 seals it... True, he has DYS19=15, but he has likely backmutated there. You put too much trust in STR mutations, you know well they are prone to backmutations. I guess you mean DYS534 and...

1) J-Z631>Y22894 = "proto-Romanian"? Not sure what you mean by that, but STRs suggest this cluster is more diverse in the western Balkans. Its TMRCA seems to be no older than about 1000 ybp, so it could've migrated there fairly recently. 4) I'm guessing you're basing this on DYS19=14. I would...

Well, I'm not sure what you meant, I just wanted to clarify that ORC008 is not J-Z600*. Yes, the location and timeframe of all these Nuragic J-L283 samples is the same. So considering the phylogenetic placement, I think ORC008 may well be J-YP157 too. And yes, there is a Romanian on Geno 2.0...

It seems you have trouble interpreting the YTree, again :grin:. ORC008 is not J-Z600*. He has no coverage for YP157 and Z585, but negative for Z615 (you can see this if you click "i"). So considering the other two samples, I think there is a good possibility he is J-YP157 too. For ORC007, I'm...

Yes, that's correct. I4331 remains at YFull's J-Z38240* level, as he is also negative for the newly discovered subclade, J-BY161223. It now seems YFull is adding ancient samples that aren't "shotgun sequenced" or not very high coverage, as is the case with the Nuragic/Sardinian samples. So I...

I analyzed the BAM file of the J2b sample from this paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.18.101337v1 Mokrin necropolis, an Early Bronze Age (2,100-1,800 BC) Maros culture site in North Serbia He is J2b-L283 >> Z615+ (Z584- Z2505-): https://yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/ Male in...

J2a and J2b split some ~30 000 ybp. Furthermore, there is J2a in BA Anatolia, BA south Balkans, and BA south Italy, while J2b-L283 is absent from all those places. So the former can clearly be connected to BA Anatolian movements, but not the latter. Ah, I see. So it seems some of you are...

Sorry for the off topic, but how can J-L283 be "connected" to Bronze Age Anatolia when it was already in North Serbia since Early Bronze Age (~4000 ybp)? Any BA Anatolian J-L283? If it came via Anatolia, it should've come in the Neolithic-Chalcholithic which there is no evidence, nor is it being...

I hope you're not suggesting that Illyrians couldn't have had V13. That modern V13 expanded starting in the Bronze Age is no news either. Unfortunately, no Iron Age Y-DNA from western Balkans/Illyrian areas as of yet. But considering V13 is showing expansion since +4000 ybp, it would be...

Exactly. There is no hard evidence for such claims. It's just one theory, which is being pushed by certain south Slavs to make Illyrian as "late comers" as possible. I think it's also inspired by the fact that the most dominant haplogroups found among Albanians (example J-L283, and very likely...