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:lol2: And for the record, there is currently no "studies" that show J-L283 originated in the Caucasus. All he is doing is recycling some (outdated) map of some ancient samples.

Good catch! I'm missing the two medieval J-Z631>Z1043 samples (KRA010, Germany and VK346, Sweden). Will add them too. The Iron Age Slovenian sample is not published in a paper yet. I'll add him as soon as published, along with the other samples from that upcoming paper. If you click on each...

Here is a map/database that contains all the published ancient J2b-L283 samples. Will try to update it as new samples are published: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1luwBVUlmGoqbj7yzO2tyKKIJlvh7mtQX&usp=sharing

Some prominent Albanian J2b-L283 tribes: Hoti: J-L283>>FT124757 Shkreli: J-L283>>Y82533 Gruda (part of it): J-L283>>Y82533 Kastrati: J-L283>>Y20899>PH1751 Krasniqi: J-L283>>Y20899>PH1751 Nikaj: J-L283>>Y20899>PH1751 Gashi (i Gurit): J-L283>>Y20899>PH1751 Oroshi, Spaçi, Kushneni of Mirditë...

You should know by now that modern distribution doesn't equal ancient. For example, in Bosnia one of the major "Slavic" haplogroups makes up around 50% of all male lines. Besides, as we all know, there is already a Bronze Age J2b-L283 sample in Dalmatia, but apparently that's not enough for you...

He needs to hear it from one of these ancient J2b-L283 samples screaming "I'm Illyrian" :laughing: I can understand a foreigner questioning whether J2b-L283 has anything to do with the Illyrians, but an Albanian, especially when the evidence is overwhelmingly pointing to it.

Yes, this is a good point. J-Z631 TMRCA at ~2800 ybp is kind of young in comparison to most available aDNA samples, so it may not be easy finding it before ~400 BC. Are you J-Z631 btw? One of my ancestral lines is J-Z631 :)

It's hard to say at this point without further information. Iron Age Slovenia had significant Celtic influence, and the samples under R1b-L51 may be just that since it's found in Iron Age France and Netherlands as well. This I2a is under I2a-M223, so not related to I2a-Y3120 formerly "I2a Dinaric".

You can also cross check the Y haplogroups by following this and downloading the .txt file: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?24962-50-replacement-in-GB-Patterson-et-al-in-review/page66&p=812461#post812461 This one should be more reliable, as there isn't any J-Z2432, but overall they're...

Should point out that we have more information for some of these samples: Additionally, I heard there should be around 20 samples from Croatia and a few more from Slovenia included in this paper.

I very much doubt we'll find any J-Z2432 here (i.e. "the South Asian branch"). So those specific ones are very likely false positives. I've seen this software erroneously assign Y haplogroups to female samples especially. All there is available right now is the raw data of the ancient samples...

Since it's been suggested, we're actually working on such a spreadsheet/map for ancient J2b-L283 samples. I'll update the forums when it's available.

Yes, we should not rule out that possibility. However, the problem is there is zero aDNA J2b-L283 from Hallstatt/La Tène, and there is quite a few samples already. Odds are, J-Z631 being such an expansive subclade, would've been found by now in Central Europe before the common era. Also, in the...

In short, currently there is no evidence any J2b-L283 was among the Celts or Proto-Celts. At this point, it's all a speculation based on modern distribution of some younger subclades (many of which could be the result of Roman mediated migration. Ex: the two most ancient J-Z631s are precisely...

We should wait until the actual paper is published and see where the samples come from, along with other details. In this yet to be published British aDNA paper, it appears they used samples from different regions as references, so to better model genetic ancestries and migrations, because we...

Nice paper! All three J2b-L283 samples are from the archeological site of Timacum Minus, Roman period, and all three are under "Balkans IA Cluster". One of them is more specifically J-Z631>Z1043! Some think this J2b-L283 subclade expanded with the Celts. I held this theory myself a while...

That's just "autosomal affinity" for all the Daunian samples, 4 of which have higher affinity to "Croatia EIA". Besides, according to the Supplementary Material, ORD014 and SAL001 should be paternal relatives, as they both should be under J2b-L283>>Z638>>BY23734 (this is to be confirmed once...

For the record, in regards to the Daunians, all the samples and SNP data I pulled out above can be found here (Supplementary Material > Data S1): https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.30.454498v1

Yes, there is at least one R1b-L23>Z2103 among the Daunians. There is two other R1b, one of them is unclassified below R1b-M269, and the second is under R1b-L23>L51>P312. Besides these, there is also one I2a-M223 sample. For Etruscans, their R1b seems exclusively under R1b-L23>L51 (ie. the one...

POP04, 4700-4300 BCE, Sopot culture, Middle Neolithic, is most likely under J2a haplogroup, as there is already a J2a-Z6063 from the Sopot Culture from a previous study. The lack of J2b-L283 is not surprising, IMHO. I would not expect it to show up in Neolithic Croatia. The Middle Bronze Age...