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I looked at about five samples from the (upcoming) study "Geographic origin, ancestry, and death circumstances at the Cornaux/Les Sauges Iron Age bridge, Switzerland". At least four of them are under R1b-L51, however, sample COR-8/3432 dating to the Late Iron Age (ca. 450-1 BCE) is...

I checked the BAM files for males ITTQ19 and ITTQ10. ITTQ19 is J2b-L283>>Z638>Y21045>PH4679>Z38300>Y161916>Y161937 (negative on YF016327ALB and J-FTD62718 SNPs) ITTQ10 is J2b-L283>>Z638 (and PH2967-, Z637-, Y23094-, CTS5789-, Z631-). This one is lower coverage, further analysis may help. A...

I was referring more to the idea that many (if not all) of the aforementioned lineages were introduced in the Roman period, as so far none of them have shown up in the preceding periods of the region. I certainly do not think all Illyrians were "wiped out" by the Romans. As far as I see, Gudnja...

Yeah, seems to be the case. Earlier BA and IA samples from Dalmatia have turned out to be J2b-L283>>Z38240>PH1602. The single J2b-L283 should be J-Z631, a completely different branch. So even that one doesn't appear to have local continuity.

Point is that one sample proved you wrong about J2b-L283 ;) What's funny is it got published within hours after your post at the other forum doubting it has anything to do with Steppe..

From the newly published paper The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans we have: I10206, Crihana-Veche, Moldova_EBA_Yamnaya, 2900-2500 BCE, J-L283 This is the oldest J2b-L283 in aDNA record and IMHO, it leaves no doubt of how it came to the western Balkans anymore. Interestingly, in the same...

Just to clarify. ORC007 is low coverage, it has a single YP91+ read. This mutation is a C → T transition which is prone to aDNA damage. Combined with the fact that he has no coverage at J-Z600, I'm simply not convinced he is YP91+ or anything else under J-Z622 with the data we have, hence he is...

First of all, it would've been nice if you posted the source where you got this finding from. Secondly, I don't think anyone ever claimed all J-L283 north of the Balkans and Italy is "Roman mediated" or that we'll never find any J-L283 among the Celtic related cultures. After all, they lived...

I manually checked a random of 17 J2b-L283 or downstream BAMs from this study, more specifically: RKC002, RKC042, RKC011, RKC020, RKF036, RKC038, RKF046, RKF142, RKC036, RKF031, RKF016, RKF010, RKF038, RKF013, RKC012, RKC047, RKF099. All are under J-L283>>Z631>>CTS11760 This is consistent with...

Thanks! The raw data has been published and these samples have been updated in the J2b-L283 aDNA map. HACS_10 is: J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Z638>Z1297>Z631>Z1043>>PH1080>FGC58591>FTC70272 HACS_24 is: J-L283>>Z615>Z597>Y15058>Z38240>Z38241>?

Assuming WGS Extract is correct, which I have no reason to doubt, J2b2b corresponds to J-Z2453: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2453/ This thread is about J2b-L283 and those samples belong to a different J2b branch which split ~14000 ybp. Worth noting: We still have no J-L283 in the Caucasus...

Just wanted to say this was written over 5 years ago here, and before we had any meaningful aDNA. It's precisely what we got in Mycenaean Greece :smile:

Thanks for these interesting finds with regards to MOK15. I would also like to share another interesting post of yours, from a different forum, which shows he was a beast :awesome:

:lol2: This is the funniest answer I've read in a while, maybe since Wanderer claimed I4331 from MBA Croatia was a kidnapped kid from Kura-Araxes culture.

:lol2::lol2: Don't get Riverman started now. In all seriousness though, I think the most likely origin of Albanian J-PH4679 lineages is the mountainous regions of northern Albania. Ancient Dardania is a possibility, under which scenario these lineages could've fled nearby to northern Albanian...

Yes, but as can be seen in the "live" version of the YFull tree, he forms a new subclade defined by J-Y250639 plus 45 other SNPs with the existing Hungarian from Vas, which means they are not too distantly related, perhaps ~1000 ybp TMRCA. So currently there is still one "basal" J2b-L283...

torzio/sile/zanipolo/vettor, stop embarrassing yourself and go take a nap :lol2: Your obsession with Albanians is mind boggling.

Absolutely great points. And let's not forget that in addition to J-L283, we have R-Z2103+ confirmed among the Iapygians (Daunians). So we have evidence that southern Illyrians carried at least these two haplogroups, which all Albanians have ancestors from. Archeogenetic studies are still in...

This was discussed here about a month ago. That study has not been published yet, only the raw data. I suppose it will be published "soon". In case I miss/missed it, someone please post it. Those should be ~Early Middle Age samples, btw.

Here we go again with the old Tyrrhenian/Sardinian hypothesis. Even the Southern Arc paper states this: "J-Z2507 (within J2) is found in 21 individuals. It is part of haplogroup J-M102 for which it was written in 2004 on the basis of present-day samples that: “J-M12 is almost totally...