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Jovialis/Angela: I am not sure my post should go here since it is somewhat related to the Himera paper and some of the discussion there but the admixture models that Jovialis posted in post #1 are interesting. Some observations, what strikes me is the Anatolian Neolithic and the Natufian, which...

Jovialis: Yes, I think many of us here have been hoping for more samples from the Iron Age somewhere South of Lazio that showed similar ancestry to R437 from Antonio et al 2019, the Republican Roman who was genetically similar to modern Southern Italians. While it of course would be great to...

Jovialis: The other Sicilian (Himera) IA samples. I did 2 separate runs. The Non Meds (Steppe, Central Europe, Caucus, NE Europe) group, and the Himera Locals (Meds, both Military and Civilian). My quick observation and summary, your Model with the Minoan as a proxy to capture Southern Italian...

Jovialis: I have been thinking of some additional analyses to with the New Iron Age Sicilian samples. Since it is not disputable that the Sicani were an Iron Age Sicilian population and the evidence based on the new Reitsema et al 2022 study, likely autochthonous, here are the Sicani samples...

Ok, thanks!

Pax Augusta: Thanks for the PCA's you posted to the community here in this forum. Since there are no new modern Sicilian samples in the Reitsema et al 2022 paper, can you tell me where do the modern Sicilian samples that we have published to date and have coordinates estimated from various...

Salento: Great work again and thanks: Multi-model Target: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY Distance: 1.0420% / 1.04200697 35.6 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med 28.5 Himera_409_BC_Battle_Med 28.3 Himera_Civilian_Pop_Med_lc 7.6 Himera_480_BC_Battle_NE-Europe_lc 2-Way Models Distance...

KingJohn: Thanks. I ran the G25 Coordinates for the new modern samples from this new paper. Top 25, Distances are good and seem reasonable and consistent with what I usually get on these types of comparisons with modern Italian samples. I get some close distances to some of the Greek moderns as...

Brick: RE your post, In my view, and that is all it is, there has been from what I have seen over the years on blogs and forums that I have visited and read the comments and sub-set of Spaniards and Italians who try to see who has the most Steppe/Indo European admixture, who had more...

Angela: Thanks for the post. I will have to check out that book indicating Southern Sicily is where there was a Muslim settlement during the Saracen period (seems like an interesting book, thanks for the recommendation). The Di Gaetano et al 2009 paper, which is somewhat dated I know, does note...

Angela: Correct. RE your post #85 and 86, I think you are dead on. Reitsema et al 2022 (this paper) note that Phoenicians set up trading posts (they were Sea peoples) and the Greeks colonized. It is quite clear from all the historical sources that the Phoenicians and their successors...

Ricardo: Given the history of of the amateur blogsphere commentary (much of it before ancient DNA analysis) regarding the ethnogenesis of Italians, Southern Italians (Southern Regions South of Lazio + Sicily) in particular, I suspect their might be more to the earlier post regarding Y Haplogroup...

This paper is now the 3rd recent one on ancient Italian DNA that has documented an Iranian_Neolithic signal that seems independent of any Steppe Admixture that came into Italy and Sicily which has been typically modeled as EHG+CHG. CHG and Iran_Neo being highly related/similar in terms of...

Salento: Thanks for your work again. My single distances and model fit. Great job as usual. Distance to: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY 9.64552746 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I7217 9.83110370 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10945 10.57527777 Himera_480_BC_Battle_Med:I10952 10.61669911...

Leopoldo Leone: My updated model including the Cetina sample. Jovialis: Same thing for me, Sicilian Bronze Age Beaker and Cetina add explanatory power (model fit is better) and Minoan is reduced.

Using the the source samples that include the French Bell Beakers in post #143:

Jovialis: Using the Dodecad12B coordinates from your post #136 for the Bronze Age Sicilians from Fernandes et al 2020. Model fit exceptionally well using Bell Beaker + Minoan.

Jovialis: Thanks for the Coordinates. My model with 2 way admixture using Bell Beaker + Minoan. I also included the Early Bronze Age sample from the Yu et al 2022 paper "Genomic and dietary discontinuitiesduring the Mesolithic and Neolithic in Sicily". Regarding UZZ57: "The fourth and youngest...

Jovialis: In the Southern Italian Ethnogensis thread that you started (a good thread), I noted that the Marcus et al 2020 paper suggested/indicated that Minoan Like ancestry could be used to viably model Bronze Age Sicilians (post #33). The Marcus et al 2020 paper clearly in my view indicates...

Ok, thanks for the information. I always assumed the conflicts were with the Communist, so the it appears the internal Italian political situation was also tied to some who still supported the Monarchy (Monarchist) and Catholic groups. As for Meloni, I think her Mother was actually from a...