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Is there any information about potential ancient DNA analysis of these skeletons? Not sure which surprises we should expect, it's a common view among archaeologists that the collapse mostly affected the palatial elites and the communities closely attached to the palatial system (and the genetic...

Yes you are right, I didn't remember the paper's analysis for the 480 BC cluster.

This 'paper' is hilariously wrong on a number of levels, beginning with the fact that the so-called "Roman Republican" cluster of 11 samples from Antonio et al 1) is not from Rome 2) is not from the Republican period 3) is not homogeneous 4) is not "western European"

This paper is pseudoscientific garbage published in a fake journal.

Yes, this also sounds 'Oriental' compared to the western canon. If anyone finds it surprising they should check a map of the Byzantine Empire and who they were primarily dealing with (Persians, Arabs and Turks). Trying to 'purify' modern Greek culture of its eastern (or Balkan) elements is a...

It's possible they had a small amount of local admix but I don't understand why you used ITA_Sicily_Himera_Civilian as the Greek proxy instead of Empuries/Greece_IA/Mycenaean samples. The Himera_civilians average includes just 2 samples (one of which is an outlier compared to the typical Greek...

I've not seen any evidence that Albanians have any discernible Germanic ancestry, one of my few objections to the authors of the Albanian pre-print was that it overstates the impact of Germanic settlement in the Balkans. A few I1 branches surviving into the modern era isn't proof of Germanic...

This pre-print is far superior to similar attempts by Greek and Italian geneticists, such as Stamatoyannopoulos, Papageorgopoulou, Sarno, Raveane etc in terms of the analysis of available samples and utilising historical sources and linguistics in conjunction with aDNA.

There's an abstract about this: https://i.imgur.com/d4yRFYK.png

If you don't think that kind of (pseudo)science was politically motivated then I have a bridge to sell you. Archaeology, historiography, "genetics" (in the pre-1953 meaning of the word), anthropology, basically all fields adjacent to our hobby were immensely politicised and biased long before...

Would you be opposed to similar scientific guidelines existing during the early 20th century, when the WASP American establishment tried to curb Italian, Greek, Slavic, etc immigration to the US by producing pseudo-scientific racial theories about the inferiority of said peoples?

Have you taken a DNA test yourself? You need to upload the raw data file from your DNA test to Gedmatch.

We've only had 2 papers focused on ancient Greece so far, and a meagre number of samples. We don't even know if the bones from Mycenae have recoverable DNA. For example, the Lerna bone collection belongs to Harvard (if I remember correctly), which makes me think that it's already been screened...

Italic tribes are easy to differentiate from Mycenaeans because they have western hunter-gatherer admixture (which the Mycenaeans lack) and no significant amount of CHG or Iran_N ancestry.

It's very easy to go on Yfull and see the J2a phylogeny. Some Italian samples do plausibly have a neolithic, chalcolithic, or Aegean BA/IA origin, but others clearly don't: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z8078/ https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC32147/ https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-S10543/...

Where does this caricature come from? The Iliad, the oldest piece of Greek literature, ends with a tribute to Hector, their "eastern enemy". Besides, the Greeks weren't a monolith and there were different ideologies and worldviews depending on the place and time period.

What does YSEQ's cladefinder give you? Can you post a screenshot?

The problem with this theory is that Mycenaeans did have some EHG, more than BA Anatolians (who had very little to none according to the abstract). Of course one can create more complex scenarios with proto-Greeks mixing with Balkan populations that did have higher EHG. That's just the genetics...

Nothing, that's why I put it in quotes. The user I was responding to called them exotic.

I didn't say anything about bias, I just expressed my bewilderment on why it's taken so long for the Reich lab and the Moots/Antonio team to acknowledge what their data show. You mean they didn't leave "much of a trace" in Serbia? Or in Italy, Greece, Albania, Bulgaria, N. Macedonia? Because I...