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  1. Vitruvius

    Ancient DNA challenges prevailing interpretations of the Pompeii plaster casts

    Today, no. In the Early Imperial Roman era, dodecanese-like individuals which plot between modern southern Italians and anatolians were exceedingly abundant in central Italy so it was much more plausible. Btw, don't be surprised if the Dodecanese like average ends up being typical for...
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    Ancient DNA challenges prevailing interpretations of the Pompeii plaster casts

    It's interesting how many of these cluster in the typically Punic section of the PCA. Beyond that it looks like one is plausibly southern European (italian/greek/anatolian) and another is fairly definitively Levantine. I agree with what other have said in that those who were left behind to die...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    Totally agree. The current sample size is low. I see a lot of similarities between the Greeks and Italians, similar to how I view Swedes and Norwegians. They are separate nations, certainly, but very closely genetically related with a closely tied history. Ticinese are simply other Italians...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    It would've been a similar phenomenon to the rest of C. Italy. They were effectively swamped with an Aegean genetic structure during the early empire and then later likely diluted to their current position by an influx of northern Italians in late antiquity and the middle ages. My presumption...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    While I do mainly agree with what you're saying, especially in the point that the majority of Caucasian ancestry in Italy was likely Greek derived, we do have to remember populations like the Italic Picenes and likely other yet unsampled northern italics carried notable excess caucasian...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    I think it's very feasible based on the Picenes that pure iron age italics with little to no Greek admixture could very well continue to exist in Italy, but I also think it's totally incorrect to state that Adriatic Italy has no Greek admixture. Places like Veneto and Friuli are debatable as...
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    % of Whites in Latin American countries based on GEDmatch kits

    The (relatively) high amounts in cuba and uruguay don't surprise me. I also agree that 80% is too low to consider someone white and is closer to castizo.
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    Are you implying that Apulia, Molise and Abruzzo are not part of the Adriatic?
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    I don't think there's much to declare until we have Messapic DNA. Even then, as Norbert mentioned, Greek colonization was enormous and vastly dwarfed populations such as the Messapics. To me it's evident that the Italiote/Magna Graecian world and Po Valley/Alpine Italics were the two massive...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    On this topic here is a map which conveys the massive scope of Greek colonization in Southern Italy, which includes two colonies on the Adriatic. To me it's really no surprise why moderns in the south plot the way they do with LBA Greeks.
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    You haven't asked a single question. So far you've just made vague and odd statements, so it's hard for me to interpret what you're trying to convey. I'd suggest structuring your thoughts a bit more directly so we can converse more clearly. If you're asking my opinion on the Messapics, I...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    And the majority of the late antiquity inhabitants of Pesaro still look like LBA greeks, so I'm not sure what your point is here. There is one that is feasibly from Anatolia, one that looks Northern Italic and another that looks punic. The rest look typically aegean, comparable to the norms of...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    Last I checked we don't have any Messapics sequenced, so I'm not sure why you think you can quantify their input in moderns. What is clear is that all modern southern Italians (regardless of whether they are local to the historic magna graecian colonies) strongly reflect the LBA Greek genome...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    The Adriatic south has plenty of Greek input, but I'd agree that the Adriatic north likely has the lowest out of anywhere else other than maybe Sardinia.
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    A lot of studies are performed by fanatics with a political agenda. The Italics and Italiotes whose blood permeates heavily in modern Italians are ignored and any sense of Italian identity is sacrificed to the bottomless pit stomach that is multiculturalist propoganda. If we take the...
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    Genetic study The Picenes and the Genetic Landscape of Central Adriatic Italy in the Iron Age.

    About 50% or more of modern Italians overlap the IA Picenes. It will be nice to look at genetic distance comparisons.
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    European GDP per capita 1750 AD

    It is very probable that preindustrial Italy had a reverse cline of absolute wealth compared to what we see today (south to north instead of north to south). The majority of silver coinage in the peninsula which has been recovered was found to be minted under the kingdom of Two Sicilies. It...
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    Genetic study The arrival of the Near Eastern ancestry in Central Italy predates the onset of the Roman Empire

    And in the context of the Late republic, which we speak on, nearly all of Italy had citizenship by this period. Notable exceptions include, Sardinia, Sicily, Istra and the extreme alpine regions of northern Italy. Istra was quickly given citizenship and formally added to Roman Italy by...
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