Actual living human examples of the "Classical" phenotype?

[IronSide]

Camren Bicondova? Basque, Rusyn, English, and Irish.

or not ?

 

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I think it is difficult -but not impossible- to find an "Actual-living-human-examples-of-the-Classical-phenotype", the reason is that what we call classical phenotype is an idealized naturalism and from that point we have to agree that if we see a statue look like a real human, maybe is something wrong with our eyes or with the -Iron Age- sculptor.


This is the begining of what I consider we call Classical... "Apollo of Olympia.

a lot of pictures here


(second photo)
This is the classical phenotype before the classic -Iron Age. Actually it is a recent find and is dated to Bronze Age (Proto-cycladic), it is amazing not from the artistic approach only. Maybe we have to revise somethings from the perspective of Art History...
I think that anyone who have deep knowledge about sculptures will be astonished.

Amazing move, so aerial and it is early bronze age... still difficult to believe. Ptoto-cycladic!!!

I personally with a first look I would classify it as hellenistic at least, and not even roman.
Few details here

 

[Angela]

Camren Bicondova? Basque, Rusyn, English, and Irish.

or not ?

In my opinion it's too short and it's definitely angled upward, which they definitely weren't.

She also has a slight dip at the base. I think the Greek sculptors may have exaggerated the look of a certain type of nose and perhaps it actually wasn't that common at all. That, or admixture has removed it largely from the gene pool.

I was watching an old movie and I think these two are pretty close...

Pericles, Classical Greece...

Gregory Peck...

Gregory Peck and Alida Valli...it's amazing how outrageously beautiful Hollywood actors used to be...

 

[Pax Augusta]

Camren Bicondova? Basque, Rusyn, English, and Irish.

Is she of Basque, Rusyn, English, and Irish descent?

Surname sounds Eastern European.

 

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These are faces of today Greeks. (from a TV show)
Some of them tend to be "Classical" and some more, few of them are far out... But the stock is here!
The main "element" still is Med with some notable Dinarid; Armenid; and Alpinid; values. The western and nordid and even baltid; are not abscent but with few percents. (check first line, the last sample -from your left hand. Typical baltid nordoid I think)
Anyway time for fun now.
Who is the most "classic" for you? - I didn't say "Greek" because they all are.


https://www.altsantiri.gr/lifestyle/anakinothikan-21-pektes-tou-nomads-dite-pii-ine/

 

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[Angela]

^^That's definitely a good one.

 

[IronSide]

Is she of Basque, Rusyn, English, and Irish descent?

Surname sounds Eastern European.

"Ethnicity: Basque, Rusyn, English, Irish, possibly other

Camren Bicondova is an American actress, model, and dancer. She was born in San Diego, California, the daughter of Jessica Arlene (Porter) and Joshua Patrick Bicondova. She was raised in Hawaii.

Camren?s surname, Bicondova, was possibly originally spelt Viconda, and is of Basque origin, which she has confirmed on Twitter. She has also stated that she is a third-generation Spanish immigrant.

Camren?s paternal grandparents are Patrick Bicondova and Nancy Louise Harobin (the daughter of Stephen Harobin and Rose M. Gunn). Stephen was born in Pennsylvania, the son of Vasil/Basilius Harobin/Harabin, who was born in Osturňa, Slovakia, and was likely of Rusyn descent, and of Theresa, who was also likely of Rusyn origin. Rose was born in New Hampshire, the daughter of Edward Gunn and Mary Margaret McNamara, and was of partially or entirely Irish ancestry."

 

[Wheal]

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No longer living, but thought it might be a contender

 

[IronSide]

Used this in another thread, his chin I guess disqualify him, but his nose bridge is the best I've seen.

 

[Angela]

Used this in another thread, his chin I guess disqualify him, but his nose bridge is the best I've seen.

Caucasus somewhere? Maybe it came with them. It's a lot more brutal than what Greek sculptors carved, though.

@Wheal
It's hard to tell without a side view, but it looks like it. Handsome man.

 

[Dagne]

View attachment 9513 How about him? He has a high nose bridge, but for a true Greek nose his nose isn't long enough.

According to classical face reading a high nose bridge means strong will power. And a long nose means a lot of ambition in life. Straight nose means that person completes his or her undertakings in a systematic manner. This is very true of this person in the picture, he was a father of Lithuanian modern teaching.

 

[Johane Derite]

View attachment 9513 How about him? He has a high nose bridge, but for a true Greek nose his nose isn't long enough.

According to classical face reading a high nose bridge means strong will power. And a long nose means a lot of ambition in life. Straight nose means that person completes his or her undertakings in a systematic manner. This is very true of this person in the picture, he was a father of Lithuanian modern teaching.

Link didn't work. Eupedia's uploading feature never works for images unless you insert the images from a url (and untick the box below).

 

[Angela]

View attachment 9513 How about him? He has a high nose bridge, but for a true Greek nose his nose isn't long enough.

According to classical face reading a high nose bridge means strong will power. And a long nose means a lot of ambition in life. Straight nose means that person completes his or her undertakings in a systematic manner. This is very true of this person in the picture, he was a father of Lithuanian modern teaching.

I can see it Dagne, but I'm signed in.

I agree; it looks perfect except that it's too short, which results in that "northern" long upper lip. What a very distinguished looking man; men of that era had such, I don't know, gravitas, maybe.

 

[Dibran]

Would we pass for any classical phenotypes?

Me:

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Paternal Grandfather:

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Maternal Grandfather:

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None of the attachments open.

It always works if you post them to IMGUR and then insert the image as a url and then untick the "retrieve remotely locally" option.

Whereas attaching directly to the forum is a consistent issue.

Sorry, I did not see your reply. Here are the photos. Would these match any classical phenotypes?

First is my skinniest(so probably best representation). Second on is recent.

 

[Angela]

Sorry, I did not see your reply. Here are the photos. Would these match any classical phenotypes?

First is my skinniest(so probably best representation). Second on is recent.

No, you don't have the parallel nose to the forehead thing going on, but you look very "classical" to me, a classic, handsome, Italian face that would have been right at home in the legions, from east of the Apennines, though.

No offense meant, I know Albanians are not Italian, but if you had done a "guess the ethnicity", that's what I would have guessed. Cross my heart and hope to die.

 

[Dibran]

No, you don't have the parallel nose to the forehead thing going on, but you look very "classical" to me, a classic, handsome, Italian face that would have been right at home in the legions, from east of the Apennines, though.

No offense meant, I know Albanians are not Italian, but if you had done a "guess the ethnicity", that's what I would have guessed. Cross my heart and hope to die.

No offense taken. I usually am mistaken for Tuscans a good majority of the time by non Albanians. With our atypical central med percentages I imagined that influenced the phenotype significantly.

when you say Apennines but East what do you mean? like balkan legions? Yea, I dont have a particularly Dinarid nose. I iam kind of happy about that LOL .





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[Angela]

No offense taken. I usually am mistaken for Tuscans a good majority of the time by non Albanians. With our atypical central med percentages I imagined that influenced the phenotype significantly.

when you say Apennines but East what do you mean? like balkan legions? Yea, I dont have a particularly Dinarid nose. I iam kind of happy about that LOL .





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That too, but I actually meant Italian legions from east of the Apennines. The differences east to west are not as profound in Italy as the north/south ones imo, but they exist.

Yes, I might have said Tuscan, but also further east. Perhaps as far south as Apulia.

 

[Dibran]

That too, but I actually meant Italian legions from east of the Apennines. The differences east to west are not as profound in Italy as the north/south ones imo, but they exist.

Yes, I might have said Tuscan, but also further east. Perhaps as far south as Apulia.

Interesting observation indeed. Due to my/my fathers atypical central med, I actually score(in this order) for Italians, Tuscany, Sardinia, Apulia, Lazio, Abruzzo. Always score some Sardinian in calculators if there is a reference. My father moreso, who gets Bari, Apulia alot more than me.

 

[Jovialis]

Yea, you kind of look like one of my cousins tbh.